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Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference

24 Mar 2009

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<trackbot> Date: 24 March 2009

<Bob> zakim [Micro is Asir

<Bob> zaki,. Vikas holds Sumeet

<dug> anyone else hear static?

<asir> very minor

<gpilz> I do

<Sreed> I do

<asir> probably only for folks on the east coast

<dug> that's a neat feature

<Bob> Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Mar/0115.html

Fred Maciel is scribe

<Bob> scribe: Fed Maciel

<Bob> scribenick: fmaciel

Agenda approved with edits

approval of minutes

No objections, minutes approved

bugzilla issues

All new issues accepted and assigned to reporter, except for external editorial comment

which will be assigned to Doug

infoset issues

<dug> asir, is your phone still close to the iphone?

<asir> NO

<dug> I like this finger pointing thing :-)

No volunteers, will remain unassigned for now

issues with proposals

issue 6595

<Bob> proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Mar/0077.html

proposal (proposal #2, comment #4 in bugzilla) accepted

issue 6648

<dug> proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Mar/att-0076/00-part

<Bob> Asir: considers this to be a substantial change and he requests a migration strategy but thinks the proposal reasonable

<dug> katy - did we do that? I don't recall that

<Katy> The text is there but unchanged - awaiting this issue

<dug> ah - so just ws-eventing had it removed?

<Katy> I didn't remove it from any as the resolution said we'd not address this under the not and conventions issue

<dug> s/must not/do not/

<dug> as an editor - I'm ok with that

<dug> +1 to katy - its just a copy-n-paste and makes it easier in the long run to have the specs look similar.

<Zakim> asir, you wanted to talk about http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6587

<DaveS> Suggestion for fixing the language problem I am worried about: Senders MAY indicate the presence of an extension that has to be understood through the use of a corresponding SOAP Header with a soap:mustUnderstand attribute with the value �1�.

<gpilz> how about "an extension it requires to be understood"?

<dug> seems fine

<asir> what is the proposed editorial change to Gil's proposal

<Bob> proposed language :Suggestion for fixing the language problem I am worried about: Senders MAY indicate the presence of an extension that has to be understood through the use of a corresponding SOAP Header with a soap:mustUnderstand attribute with the value "1"

<gpilz> The elements defined in this specification MAY be extended at the points indicated by their outlines and schema. Implementations MAY add child elements and/or attributes at the indicated extension points but MUST NOT contradict the semantics of the parent and/or owner, respectively. If a receiver does not recognize an extension, the receiver SHOULD ignore that extension. Senders MAY indicate the presence of an extension that has to be understood through the use of

<dug> I'm missing the last part of Gil's - it got chopped off for me

<gpilz> Senders MAY indicate the presence of an extension that has to be understood through the use of a corresponding SOAP Header with a soap:mustUnderstand attribute with the value “1”.

<Zakim> asir, you wanted to ask a question

<dug> although, we can probably say MUST NOT since the receiver MUST adhere to SOAP and mU=1 is part of SOAP.

<dug> never mind - I see Dave's point

<dug> that's fine - and let's apply it to all specs :-)

<Bob> proposal: The elements defined in this specification MAY be extended at the points indicated by their outlines and schema. Implementations MAY add child elements and/or attributes at the indicated extension points but MUST NOT contradict the semantics of the parent and/or owner, respectively. If a receiver does not recognize an extension, the receiver SHOULD ignore that extension. Senders...

<Bob> ...MAY indicate the presence of an extension that has to be understood through the use of a corresponding SOAP Header with a soap:mustUnderstand attribute with the value “1”.

Issue 6648 resolved with text above by Bob

RESOLUTION: the text above shall be applied to all specifications

Issue 6692

<asir> How would you distinguish a NotifyTo EPR from a MakeConnection type EPR?

<gpilz> you don't

<gpilz> that's the whole point of WS-MC

<dug> bob - I'd like to ask Wu a follow-on question

<dug> I still don't see the diff between NotifyTo and ReplyTo and I think it would actually be a mistake to imply they're different

<DaveS> +1

<DaveS> What Doug said

<dug> ws-e doesn't mandate that PUSH mode is a one-way

<DaveS> But we still don't have a use case for any Mode other than push mode.

<dug> granted a Notification is a one-way but not PUSH mode

<dug> thank you bob

<dug> its broken because we're adding confusion and duplicate semantics

straw poll on removing push mode from specification (accepting Dave's proposal):

<asir> This is a non-binding strawpoll

<Bob> s/abstain/abstain preference poll (non-binding)

<asir> Wu and I mentioned that 6432 need to be resolved first

<gpilz> everyone else obviously disagrees

<dug> +1 to gil

<DaveS> +1

<Bob> understand better why if the spec says exactly the same thing concerning the eventing mode, having a more

<DaveS> We ned to se use cases for Mode not equal to Push Mode to better understand whay it is needed.

<dug> Wu - you can never stop someone from putting a MCanonURI in the NotifyTo

<Bob> ACTION: Wu and Asir We need to use use cases for Mode not equal to Push Mode to better understand why it is needed. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-ws-ra-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-53 - And Asir We need to use use cases for Mode not equal to Push Mode to better understand why it is needed. [on wu chou - due 2009-03-31].

<Bob> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6725

external review issue 6725

<DaveS> bye

<scribe> postponed to next week

Bob asked participants to review IRC for incomplete contents

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Wu and Asir We need to use use cases for Mode not equal to Push Mode to better understand why it is needed. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-ws-ra-minutes.html#action01]
 
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