BAD TF

Feedback on demo pages

<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Jan/0019

tom: problem of sun image, alt 'sunny spells' doesn't make much sence

eric: leave the alt empty

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2005/Demo/before/index

shadi: maybe the weather image can be dynamic
... demo has been presented to the waiage tf

<eric> latest latest version: http://ericeggert.net/badtf-latest/info/

<shadi> http://ericeggert.net/badtf-latest/index/

tom: latest version looks great

wilco: there's a layout bug in the last version on font resizing in IE6

shadi: the background of the tab button makes the demo page look like a screenshot
... we should save finetuning for later

Feedback on In-Between pages

<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Jan/0011

<shadi> http://www.wienfluss.net/BAD/inbetween/inbetween_after.html

wilko: screenreader users got the extra-elements always on their screen. Any idea?
... sreenreaders focus always on the images how to focus on the title?

shadi: using a poup-box is a better solution?
... better then jumping to the bottom?

wilco: maybe we can set the focus to the anchor
... will prepare a proposal with a positioned icon at the annotation

shadi: the icons are to small?

tom: a page full of icons would be a visual desaster

michael: new idea: icon-collection besides the page

shadi: a legend is needed
... we agreed: only two icons per page: "tick" and "information" at accessible version
... "error" and "information" at the inaccessible version

Additional demo updates

maik: all updates have been mailed

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/2005/Demo/waiage

tom: we should use relative units rather then pt for text size

shadi: which of the wai-age requirements have we not shown yet that we want to show

maik: my idea was to make the before demo to show more problems

<shadi> http://www.mcwiwa.de/bad-tf/waiage_updated.htm

tom: sounds good

<maik_w> newer version: http://www.mcwiwa.de/bad-tf/waiage_updatedII.htm

maik: take the before page and make it worse

shadi: does anybody have comments on the updateed list?

tom: items looked good

shadi: no consence on if we should use font resize links, he suggests leaving it out
... leave breadcrums and text resize out

tom: sounds like we agree on maik's list

maik: not sure how to demonstrate the problem of blue/green
... maybe use blue/gree in the before page as a contrast problem

shadi: many of the requirements do not mix with the demo

tom: stick with WCAG 2
... maybe if the table has an column showing bad and good example

<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Jan/0007

shadi: some of the problems have been talked about by michael

Next meetings

wilco: can get some things ready for the inbetween pages

maik: will get a list of proposals for worse bad page

shadi: think it will be good to have a meeting next week

<Michael> here is a IE6 screenshot for the minutes: http://www.wienfluss.net/BAD/ie6_screenshot.png