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<trackbot> Date: 19 January 2009
<scribe> scribe: erik
<scribe> scribeNick: ed
ISSUE-2201+
ISSUE-2201?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2201 -- Return value of SVGAnimationElement.getStartTime unclear -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2201
<heycam> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#getStartTime-return-value
CMC: wasn't sure if we decided if we return a value for the interval if it wasn't active at the moment (so the next interval)
ED: just wondering which is more intuitive to authors
AG: what does batik do?
CMC: think something slightly
different, actually returns NaN
... Opera currently will do the current interval whether if
it's active or not
... if we returned the start time of the current interval if
they're not active scripts could still compare that against the
document time to determine if that's active or not
... don't mind either way
AG: do we want to wait for jwatt to have his opinion?
CMC: brian brought up the
discussion originally
... he also asked on svg-developers if anyone used this, and
what they thought
... no replies yet
ED: it may be that sometimes it's tricky to time the call such that the getStartTime is when the interval is active, and you might expect to get something instead of an exception if the next interval is computed
CMC: what about the duration one?
ED: that's getSimpleDuration, so the name says pretty much what it does
CMC: difficult do decide given
that there's other timing things that are not exposed
... given that we can expose a bit more information by having
it return the current interval and that you can compare against
the documenttime, and that you can call it on beginevent, it
should be safe to du the "current interval"
AG: i'm fine with that, opera would have to change?
ED: yes, to raise the exception
<scribe> ACTION: heycam to change the http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#getStartTime-return-value erratum to use "current interval" and to move the item to proposed [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/19-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2407 - Change the http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#getStartTime-return-value erratum to use \"current interval\" and to move the item to proposed [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-01-26].
ISSUE-2199?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2199 -- Underlying transform value erratum now conflicts with 1.2T -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2199
<heycam> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#cleanup-wording-underlying-value
CMC: i've updated this to bring
in the text in 1.2T
... copied the text and changed some links from SMIL to SMIL
Animation
... I've brought it back to draft to review it again
AG: doesn't look like a big behavioural change
CMC: it's not really explicit in
the text, but this text implies that when you're doing the
scale transofrmation animation and the scale is zero (like in a
to animation and you need to know the starting value)
... it's not explicit in tiny 1.2 either anymore
... we used to have a table
... but was removed before moving to CR
... based on comments from DOH
AG: wasn't much in the spec before anyway
CMC: yes, this was rather
undefined
... no tests in the 1.1 testsuite that rely on the underlaying
value
AG: I've no problem changing that to proposed
ED: one thing I was wondering about was if the references affects this at all
CMC: the first link there is just describing the from-to calculation
ED: right, this is probably close
enough
... and good to use similar wording
CMC: how do we do tests for errata items?
AG: we should add tests in the 1.1F2/tests/svg directory going forward
CMC: we'll have to release the testsuite again, right?
AG: right
CMC: so maybe we could publish the second edition spec along with a new snapshot of the testsuite
<heycam> http://www.w3.org/2003/01/test-cases/text-intro-06-t.svg
ED: that sounds good yes
CMC: the links should point to
the right place though, they don't currently
... we should move the old tests over
<scribe> ACTION: heycam to create a test for http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#cleanup-wording-underlying-value (check if we have a test for it in the 1.2T testsuite) and then move the erratum to proposed [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/19-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2408 - Create a test for http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#cleanup-wording-underlying-value (check if we have a test for it in the 1.2T testsuite) and then move the erratum to proposed [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-01-26].
ISSUE-2103?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2103 -- i18n comment 3: Inline -progression typo -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2103
ISSUE-2203?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2203 -- color-profile "local" IDL attribute erratum incorrect -- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2203
<heycam> http://www.w3.org/mid/20090116032239.GB3580@arc.mcc.id.au
CMC: this was raised by me a
while ago
... I think i was incorrect in raising it
... it was for the IDL and there's an attribute named
"_local"
... and "local" is a keyword in IDL
... so the underscore is actually needed
... like the comment said
ED: ok, let's remove the errata item
CMC: yes, that's probably safe to do
<scribe> ACTION: AG to remove the color-profile "local" IDL attribute erratum for SVG 1.1 (addressing ISSUE-2203) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/19-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2409 - Remove the color-profile \"local\" IDL attribute erratum for SVG 1.1 (addressing ISSUE-2203) [on Anthony Grasso - due 2009-01-26].
<heycam> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2009Jan/0024.html
CMC: for these methods what happens if you call them before the timeline is started
ED: so I think I was able to
answer his first question about animationsPaused
... though we could possibly clarify it
CMC: for beginElementAt
... we should add the offset to time zero I think
AG: yes, makes it less confusing I think
CMC: would be consistent to do it
that way I think
... my suggestion would be if you did "beginElementAt(5)" it
would be five seconds after the document timeline started, not
from when it was called if it was called before the timeline
started
ED: that would probably be the most intuitive yes
CMC: and then we'd get the timelineBegin from 1.2T if you wanted to start the timeline earlier
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2009Jan/0029.html
CMC: it's a bit weird to fix up
the starttime to be some negative time
... that's jwatts suggestion to run the animation before the
timeline has started
ED: the ElementTimeControl API is
slightly different in 1.2T, something to note
... IMHO it's a bit strange to not look at 1.2T when
implementing SVG SMIL support from scratch
<scribe> ACTION: heycam to reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2009Jan/0024.html to say what we decided and that we've made erratum for it [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/19-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2410 - Reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2009Jan/0024.html to say what we decided and that we've made erratum for it [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-01-26].
<heycam> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2009Jan/0026.html
CMC: brian points out that this test was copied over from 1.1, but it relied on the behaviour that we changed in 1.2T based on DOH's comments
AG: this test has always had
issues related to it
... was it even approved?
CMC: does say so
... presumably we've changed the definition of paced to
something we're happy with in tiny
... and this test should be removed and/or changed from the
tiny 1.2 testsuite at least
... but should we also look at changing what's in 1.1?
... or just leave it
... opera does the 1.2T way right?
ED: since this issue went back and forth a number of times I'm not sure if we decided to hold off on changing anything
CMC: this test in the 1.2T
testsuite, we should eitehr change it or remove it
... only some subtests rely on the pacing, don't know
which
<scribe> ACTION: review 1.2T/tests/animate-elem-82-t.svg and make sure the positions are correct for the paced animations, and move the test back to draft/unapproved for now [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/19-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - review
<scribe> ACTION: ED to review 1.2T/tests/animate-elem-82-t.svg and make sure the positions are correct for the paced animations, and move the test back to draft/unapproved for now [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/19-svg-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2411 - Review 1.2T/tests/animate-elem-82-t.svg and make sure the positions are correct for the paced animations, and move the test back to draft/unapproved for now [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-01-26].
AG: haven't started writing the xslt stylesheet yet
ACTION-2385
AG: most things can be copied across, but some empty fields need to be filled out
CMC: so once that's done the testsuite will be in good shape for adding tests to it
AG: you can do that now anyway, we can make the xsl look for certain elements and only change tose
CMC: we haven't copied over the tests yet have we?
AG: we did
... but they're still using the old template
... i've been organizing the last bits of the f2f, so I'll have
more time this week to look at it
... if anyone wants to make a new test just use the new
template
<anthony> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/templates/
AG: there are some new
fields
... the testdescription field allows references to the spec to
be put in
... and which parts of the spec is being tested
... and because multiple parts can be tested you can put
multiple references
... tehre's a field for pass criteria
... the approved attribute has been removed, it's only using
status now
CMC: does testdescription need to be there?
AG: probably not
... will give an example
<anthony> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/text-tspan-02-b.svg
ED: what about future specs, we might not have a full absolute link?
AG: good point
... we could make an xslt for publication
ED: we already put some spec links into the harness, based on naming convention
AG: that's based on sectionnames, so with xlink:href you can point to a specific place in the spec
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