MAWG -- 13 Jan 2009

<pchampin> hi

<tmichel> Hello

<tmichel> we have regrets from werner and erik

<tmichel> let me dial in

<pchampin> that's me

<tmichel> Felix can you hear me on zakim ?

w3c track

thierry explains various steps (FPWD etc.) of w3c process

<scribe> scribe: fsasaki

example of a test suite: http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/

agenda is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0017.html

minutes from previous meeting http://www.w3.org/2008/12/16-mediaann-minutes.html approved

<frank> I can do the next next

scribe volunteer Pierre-Antoine

Pierre-Antoine scribe 20.1. 2009, frank scribe 27.1. 2009

Schedule for the next call on 20.1. 2009 (now every Tuesday, 13:00 UTC)

action items

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open

close ACTION-20

<trackbot> ACTION-20 Add a link from WG page to the "still alive" MMSEM wiki pages and to make sure that everybody can edit the pages closed

action 43 is pending

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 43

AI 44 done

frank: went through requirements document, took use cases explained, checked if xmp:history can be applied
... xmp:history looks useful, we should use it

close ACTION-44

<trackbot> ACTION-44 Check if xmp:history is applicable for the current use cases closed

close ACTION-45

<trackbot> ACTION-45 Look at how sony ericsson uses xmp closed

joakim: sent a mail about this to the list

close ACTION-46

<trackbot> ACTION-46 Bother Eric so that he gives AI to Chris about the metadata model from IBBT closed

felix: done, chris sent a mail to the list about the model

AI 47 ongoing

close ACTION-48

<trackbot> ACTION-48 Send pointer to media fragments WG for review of uc&req doc, when it is ready closed

AI 49 ongoing

felix: sent mail to larry masinter, no response yet

ACTION-51

drawing is at http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html

close ACTION-53

<trackbot> ACTION-53 Revise the introduction, using material from the "video" UC section closed

close ACTION-51

<trackbot> ACTION-51 Make a drawing to make clear what we are not doing closed

AI 54 pending

AI 55 pending

close ACTION-57

<trackbot> ACTION-57 Check with plh how he wants us to move the requirements document forward closed

close ACTION-58

<trackbot> ACTION-58 Add the issue of returning String/URI value as an additional requirement closed

AI 59

joakim: sent a mail about this

thierry: let's leave it open, try to have more discussion until next week

close ACTION-60

<trackbot> ACTION-60 Ask Chris about the question of heterogeneous return values closed

close ACTION-61

<trackbot> ACTION-61 Request short URI for the requirements document closed

ACTION-63

close ACTION-63

<trackbot> ACTION-63 Formulate a liason letter for the MPEG MXM group closed

victor: formally it has been done, informally I will report at next MPEG meeting about our groups activities, within the next weeks
... will ask you to take a look at the presentation before

thierry: please send to the group for review

schedule for UC & Req doc

thierry: thanks to felix for providing the document, it's now frozen
... we are now going to ask for formal publication on TR page
... publication is planned for jan 19th
... Any Objection to request Transition of the document to FPWD ?
... no objections

RESOLUTION: Working Groups agrees to move document to FPWD, no objections

thierry: please do not advertise URI of document before publication on Monday

future of req & use cases doc

<tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html

thierry: we should publish LC version of this doc in march, might be doable
... we may or may not get feedback on UC & req document, the LC draft will give more feedback
... for LC in march, we have 1-1/2 months for revising the document

werner: if we get feedback on document and revise a section, what will happen?
... so after publication on Monday we can adapt it any time?

thierry: we can update the internal WD, and in March we will say we publish a LC version and ask other WGs for review
... after LC of the req & use case LC draft, we wil publish the req & use case document as a "working Group note"
... we have worked on uc & req doc, we now need to think about ontology and API doc

joakim: schedule might be very optimistic

felix: agree

thierry: group is chartered until January 2010, we have another year
... if we don't fulfil milestones, at the end of the year we will request an extension, maybe 6 more months, depending on where we stand

mapping of formats

<tmichel> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mapping_table.htm

joakim: took all properties we have identified as relevant from XMP review in one column in the excel table
... filled out the ID3 column

thierry: what will be outcome of XMP / IDE mapping

<tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping

joakim: sometimes properties were dublicated
... e.g. there are various date related properties
... e.g. in DC we have date, but other vocabularies make differences between createDate, dateChanged
... DC is more generic

<VeroniqueM> could we have a "transitivity" problem?

<VeroniqueM> if property A from voc A is "mapped" to property B from voc B, that is in turn mapped to property C from another, what is the "mapping" status of A with respect to C?

<Victor> now :)

<pchampin> a simple solution to handle duplication would be to only support the most generic property

<VeroniqueM> agreed

<pchampin> but this may not be satisfactory for every duplicate property

<VeroniqueM> DC would be the interlingua?

<tmichel> I ammuted now ;-)

<tmichel> sorry about this buzz

<tmichel> For CR exit criteria we need implementation for two mapping (two features)

http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/annotation-mappings/

<tmichel> work implmentation driven. Ask people of the WG which aattribute they use

http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/annotation-mappings/01/mapping.xsl

<tmichel> inputs XML and uses an XSL style sheet

felix: propose to think from CR step: what functionalities are people ready to implement?

thierry: agree. It is not good to define a lot of mappings if we will not implement them during CR
... problem of how to proceed with duplicate mappings, which joakim described

<tmichel> Tobias I can't hear you

<tobiasb> Probably I have a problem with the micro

<tobiasb> I started yesterday and will be ready with it next week!

<tmichel> Wonsuk ?

going through formats and see when they be finished

<tmichel> TYoutube and Media RSS , TXfeed for next week

<tobiasb> Same for SearchMonkey...did not start but will be ready next week

<scribe> ACTION: wonsuk to finish TYoutube and Media RSS , TXfeed for next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Finish TYoutube and Media RSS , TXfeed for next week [on WonSuk Lee - due 2009-01-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Tobias to do searchmonkeymedia [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-66 - Do searchmonkeymedia [on Tobias BÃ¼rger - due 2009-01-20].

<tmichel> Jean Pierre

<scribe> ACTION: jean-pierre to review tvanytime [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - Review tvanytime [on Jean-Pierre EVAIN - due 2009-01-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Jean-Pierre to review EBU [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - Review EBU [on Jean-Pierre EVAIN - due 2009-01-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Joakim to review Cable Labs Video-On-Demand Content specification 2.0 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Review Cable Labs Video-On-Demand Content specification 2.0 [on Joakim SÃ¶derberg - due 2009-01-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Jean-Pierre to review IPTC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-70 - Review IPTC [on Jean-Pierre EVAIN - due 2009-01-20].

<scribe> ACTION: Chris to review DIG35 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris

<scribe> ACTION: Thierry to ask AC rep of IBBT to nominate Chris [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - Ask AC rep of IBBT to nominate Chris [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-01-20].

review of FRBR is done

victor: review of FRBR is done

<scribe> ACTION: victor to report on FRBR next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action09]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - victor

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to review MIX [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action10]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Review MIX [on Felix Sasaki - due 2009-01-20].

<Victor> Requirement r07 says "Introducing several abstraction levels in the ontology", mapping to FRBR is inmediate and easy. Next conference I can report more details if needed.

MPEG-7

frank: werner and I worked on it

<scribe> .. ongoing

UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: need more time

<tobiasb> MediaRDF: Alread y had a look; will provide information for mapping table by the deadline next week

<scribe> ACTION: frank to review with werner MPEG-7 - due 2009-27-1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action11]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - review with werner MPEG-7 [on Frank Nack - due 2011-03-01].

<scribe> ACTION: werner to review SMPTE [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action12]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-74 - Review SMPTE [on Werner Bailer - due 2009-01-20].

<tobiasb> METS, LOM: Already had a look; will provide information for mapping table by the deadline next week

<scribe> ACTION: tobias to review METS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action13]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - Review METS [on Tobias BÃ¼rger - due 2009-01-20].

<scribe> ACTION: TOBIAS to review LOM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/13-mediaann-minutes.html#action14]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-76 - Review LOM [on Tobias BÃ¼rger - due 2009-01-20].

thierry: questions on mapping?

AOB

joakim: API and ontology schedule, maybe need to talk about it at next meeting

thierry: agree, need to talk about this next week

regrets for next week: Felix traveling, thierry also (probably will join by phone)

bye

<VeroniqueM> exit

<tmichel> rssagent, darft minutes

<tmichel> rssagent, draft minutes

<joakim> exit

<tmichel> rssagent, make minutes

<joakim> felix: after you sent the command to rrsagent, draft minutes

- DRAFT -

MAWG

13 Jan 2009

Attendees

Contents

w3c track

action items

schedule for UC & Req doc

future of req & use cases doc

mapping of formats

AOB

Summary of Action Items

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