W3C

Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

24 Jul 2008

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
DKA, Drooks, Kai, SeanP, abel, dom, jeffs, jo, manrique, miguel, scott, yeliz
Regrets
Seungyun, Robert_Finean, Murari, Francois_on_the_beach, Bryan, Adam, DavidStorey, Ed
Chair
DKA
Scribe
Jo, Kai

Contents


<dom> ScribeNick: Scott

CT document

DKA: Report from CT task first, francois sent a summary

<dom> Francois's summary of CT task force

Jo: Wants to elaborate, circulated a new draft before lunch

<dom> Latest draft from Jo (1n Rev14)

Jo: This draft is proposal for last call

DKA: What was the remaining key issue

<dom> [I note there are still 2 issues open on the CT document: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/12 ]

<jeffs> can I be

Jo: Were waiting to flesh out examples

Wre waiting to fix typos etc

Jo: Were waiting to fix typos etc.
... Wants to review next week

DKA: Wants to get out the door asap

<jo> [for clarity, we are done with this draft and want to push to LCWD on next weeks call]

DKA: Do we have any updates on the Mobile pps document?
... Do we have any updates on the Mobile Apps document?

Dom: Will be published next Tuesday

DKA: Unfortunate that press release will just be for BP & Checker and not mobileOK

<jo> [Dom - ISSUE-242 is done and ISSUE-222 doesn't hold the document up from publication]

Dom: Don't see anyway to do mobileOK at this point
... No reason to delay

DKA: Any other contributions?

<dom> [thanks for the update, Jo - I hope the issue-242 will be officially closed on the next CT call then :) ]

<jo> [you'd better talk to the Task Force Leader about that, Dom :-)]

<dom> [still think that the characterization of ISSUE-222 as an issue is unfortunate, but oh well :) ]

DKA: BP 1.5 on Agenda but no one here
... Anything on Powder to comment?
... No.

Action items review

DKA: Remaining is issues and actions:
... Before that anything else needs covering?

Jo: We've got to the end of serious of docs and should tidy up issues and actions
... and get ready for a summer recess

<dom> [I suggest starting with actions in "pending review" http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/pendingreview ]

DKA: How should we do this?

Jo: Go through actions first

Dom: Could we start with pending review?

<DKA> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/pendingreview

<jeffs> re ACTION-665 : no response to email query... try again?

<dom> ACTION-665?

<trackbot> ACTION-665 -- Alan Chuter to talk to Jeffs about what support they can provide on examples -- due 2008-02-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/665

DKA: ACTION-665
... Jeff shall we close it off?

Jeff: No response to email

DKA: Why don't we close it now? But if it's a burning issue can we assign jeff an issue

Jeff: Re-assign to me and will speak to Alan and report back:

DKA: Why set to pending review?

<dom> ACTION: Jeff to look at providing examples for accessibility document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Jeff

DKA: Suggesting re-assign to jeff so we can move along

<dom> ACTION: jeffs to look at providing examples for accessibility document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jeffs

<dom> close ACTION-665

<trackbot> ACTION-665 Talk to Jeffs about what support they can provide on examples closed

Dom: just created a new action and close 665

<dom> ACTION: Jeffrey to look at providing examples for accessibility document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-820 - Look at providing examples for accessibility document [on Jeffrey Sonstein - due 2008-07-31].

DKA: Action 768: Can be closed off?

<dom> ACTION-786?

<trackbot> ACTION-786 -- Jo Rabin to draft wording for an appendix that identifies the aggregators and operator roles that are different in the mobile ecosystem. -- due 2008-06-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/786

<dom> ACTION-802?

<trackbot> ACTION-802 -- François Daoust to follow up on status of Korean TF members in respect of W3C and WG membership -- due 2008-07-16 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/802

Jo: Hasn't been actioned so should be left open

DKA Action-802 has been closed now

<dom> close ACTION-802

<trackbot> ACTION-802 Follow up on status of Korean TF members in respect of W3C and WG membership closed

<dom> ACTION-808?

<trackbot> ACTION-808 -- François Daoust to arrange the funeral of Techniques -- due 2008-07-10 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/808

<dom> Francois's arrangement for techniques

DKA: ACTION-808 - when did this get done? Is there a funeral/bonfire?

<dom> close ACTION-808

<trackbot> ACTION-808 Arrange the funeral of Techniques closed

Jo: Done this morning

<dom> ACTION-810?

<trackbot> ACTION-810 -- Daniel Appelquist to circulate ETSI liaison request to member list -- due 2008-07-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/810

Jo: 810 Not completed

<dom> ACTION-814?

<trackbot> ACTION-814 -- Daniel Appelquist to get back to ETSI in accordance with above resolution -- due 2008-07-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/814

DKA: agreed on the call to send note

Jo: DKA to send (Jo drafted)
... Unanswered question

<dom> close ACTION-810

<trackbot> ACTION-810 Circulate ETSI liaison request to member list closed

DKA: 1. The Acion is closed
... 2. A note wasn't sent, I am happy to send it and am happy with the wording.

<dom> DKA, you have ACTION-814 to send the message to ETSI

<jo> ACTION-814

<jo> ACTION-814?

<trackbot> ACTION-814 -- Daniel Appelquist to get back to ETSI in accordance with above resolution -- due 2008-07-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/814

DKA: 3. The mechanics of the liaison, W3C can handle this?
... Dom:

Dom: You still have the action to send

<dom> ACTION: Dom to officialize the ETSI liasion on the W3C side [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-821 - Officialize the ETSI liasion on the W3C side [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2008-07-31].

Dom: I will undertake an Action to setup liaison?

<jo> [summary: Jo to take over ACTION-814 and Dom to enact under ACTION-821]

DKA: 811 - Francois, was this done? Anyone?

<DKA> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/overdue

<dom> Overdue actions (30 at this time)

DKA: Move on to overdue actions?

<dom> I suggest doing them sorted by owner: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner

<jeffs> kill it

DKA: Terminology issue not required

<dom> close ACTION-691

<trackbot> ACTION-691 Raise issue on terminology and consistency with BP1, and start discussion on main page, external resources and so on closed

<dom> ACTION-693?

<trackbot> ACTION-693 -- Daniel Appelquist to raise issue with Dave Raggett in UWA and see if they will take forward from where we leave off -- due 2008-03-11 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/693

DKA: 693: I think obsoleted, any different thoughts?

Dom: Francois and I reviewed and were unclear?

<jeffs> kill it

DKA: I've looked at it and whatever issue was I don't think we still have it
... I think we should get rid of this one

<dom> close ACTION-693?

<dom> close ACTION-693

<trackbot> ACTION-693 Raise issue with Dave Raggett in UWA and see if they will take forward from where we leave off closed

DKA: ACTION-694: Review Apple Doc:

<dom> ACTION-697?

<trackbot> ACTION-697 -- Daniel Appelquist to summarize the points he can glean from examination of the frost library -- due 2008-03-11 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/697

<dom> DKA: won't be done by me in the next month

<dom> ... it would probably be better to assign to someone else

<dom> ... any volunteer?

<dom> close ACTION-697

<trackbot> ACTION-697 Summarize the points he can glean from examination of the frost library closed

<jeffs> offering to help w ACTION-694 if needed

<dom> reopen ACTION-697

<trackbot> ACTION-697 Summarize the points he can glean from examination of the frost library re-opened

<dom> ACTION-697 due September 12

<trackbot> ACTION-697 Summarize the points he can glean from examination of the frost library due date now September 12

DKA: 697 - leave open but with a new date?
... Sept. 11? I'll update

<inserted> ScribeNick: jo

scott: there is more than one apple document and I am nearly ready to make summary - all a bit specific
... good as a reference document and good as an example of device documentation
... not all that useful ref best practice
... hopefully will get document out by Monday

<jeffs> 1 more try: offering to help w ACTION-694 if needed

<dom> ACTION-694 due July 29

<trackbot> ACTION-694 Review apple document and summarise the parts that might be applicable to BP2 due date now July 29

<Zakim> jo, you wanted to channel jeffs

<inserted> ScribeNick: scott

Jo: Jeff is happy to help with ACTION-694

Scott: Thank Jeff

<dom> ACTION-703?

<trackbot> ACTION-703 -- Jo Rabin to draft a communication with the TAG based on ISSUE-222 -- due 2008-03-11 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/703

DKA: 703 - oldie but goodie

Jo: on v. slow burn - early autumn

<dom> ACTION-710?

<trackbot> ACTION-710 -- François Daoust to test the Effect of HEAD Requests on Various Servers -- due 2008-07-17 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/710

<dom> ACTION-711?

DKA: 710 - genuilly overdue - skip

<trackbot> ACTION-711 -- Soonho Lee to provide Feedback on Content Transformation Document -- due 2008-07-10 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/711

<dom> ACTION-712?

<trackbot> ACTION-712 -- Yeliz Yesilada to review ARIA to see what could be relevant to BP2 -- due 2008-03-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/712

DKA: 710 - genuinely overdue - skip

<jeffs> kill it

Yeliz: Not found anything relevant

<dom> close ACTION-712

<trackbot> ACTION-712 Review ARIA to see what could be relevant to BP2 closed

<dom> ACTION-744?

<trackbot> ACTION-744 -- Bryan Sullivan to create a placeholder capturing discussion under ISSUE-245 on the need for adaptation (not transformation) to realise BP-2 -- due 2008-05-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/744

DKA: 744 - can we close this off?

<dom> ACTION-783?

<trackbot> ACTION-783 -- Daniel Appelquist to come up with alternative phrasing for Web 2.0 -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/783

<Kai> ScribeNick: Kai

<jo> scribe: Jo

<scribe> Scribe: Kai

<dom> ACTION-783?

<trackbot> ACTION-783 -- Daniel Appelquist to come up with alternative phrasing for Web 2.0 -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/783

DKA: nothing to report on this one

<dom> ACTION-783 due July 31

DKA: will try to get something on the mailiing list next week

<dom> ACTION-785?

<trackbot> ACTION-783 Come up with alternative phrasing for Web 2.0 due date now July 31

<trackbot> ACTION-785 -- Kai Scheppe to check the personalization section for specific parts that seem to imply combination of personal information with usage patterns -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/785

<dom> ACTION-787?

<trackbot> ACTION-787 -- Scott Hughes to draft text re power efficiency by June 25 -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/787

Kai: Have not looked at it, will hopefully do so next week

Scott: have searched for work done in this area and found nothing
... will put it together with less detail. Have not done it yet

<dom> ACTION-787 due July 31

<trackbot> ACTION-787 Draft text re power efficiency due date now July 31

DKA: let*s leave it open for next call

<dom> ACTION-788?

<trackbot> ACTION-788 -- Daniel Appelquist to communicate with OpenAjax Alliance about the backlighting issue and null gestures -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/788

<dom> ACTION-791?

<trackbot> ACTION-791 -- Daniel Appelquist to draft some text on WICD -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/791

DKA: ACTION-788 will do it right now...I think I did this immediately. Is closed.

<dom> ACTION-788: DKA sent a message, but didn't get a reply

<trackbot> ACTION-788 Communicate with OpenAjax Alliance about the backlighting issue and null gestures notes added

<dom> (note that it wasn't sent to mobile@openajax, at least I don't see it in http://www.openajax.org/pipermail/mobile/2008q3/thread.html )

<dom> ACTION-792?

<trackbot> ACTION-792 -- Abel Rionda to propose some text on SVG -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/792

Abel: will do it for next call

<dom> ACTION-792 due July 31

<trackbot> ACTION-792 Propose some text on SVG due date now July 31

<dom> ACTION-793?

<trackbot> ACTION-793 -- Kai Scheppe to work with Scott to produce proposed text on caching that goes beyond BP 1 -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/793

<dom> ACTION-793: Kai sent a proposal to Scott (but got no reply yet) - also, more findings likely to come

<trackbot> ACTION-793 Work with Scott to produce proposed text on caching that goes beyond BP 1 notes added

<jeffs> yes

Kai: did some work. More to do.

DKA: leave it open

<dom> ACTION-796?

<trackbot> ACTION-796 -- Daniel Appelquist to contact BBC to see if they can make their mobile web site mobileOK -- due 2008-06-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/796

DKA: have not had a response from them

<dom> ACTION-796: DKA sent mail, but didn't get a reply

<trackbot> ACTION-796 Contact BBC to see if they can make their mobile web site mobileOK notes added

DKA: keep it open on me

<dom> ACTION-807?

<trackbot> ACTION-807 -- Kai Scheppe to check on discussion of mobileOK pertinent issues in POWDER -- due 2008-07-10 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/807

<jo> ACTION-798?

<trackbot> ACTION-798 -- Kai Scheppe to work proposed changes into the mobileOK Pro document and then turn it over to the group -- due 2008-06-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/798

<dom> ACTION-798?

<trackbot> ACTION-798 -- Kai Scheppe to work proposed changes into the mobileOK Pro document and then turn it over to the group -- due 2008-06-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/798

<DKA> Dom -- Email to OpenAjax was sent directly to Jon F- I will follow up with the mobile interest mailing list.

<dom> ACTION-798 due July 31

<trackbot> ACTION-798 Work proposed changes into the mobileOK Pro document and then turn it over to the group due date now July 31

<dom> ACTION-801?

<trackbot> ACTION-801 -- Daniel Appelquist to thanks Chaals for producing the draft of mok scheme, to apologise on the group's behalf for not responding sooner and to draw his attention to the resolution taken on its contents -- due 2008-06-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/801

Kai: Will send an email to group

<dom> ACTION-801 due next week

<trackbot> ACTION-801 Thanks Chaals for producing the draft of mok scheme, to apologise on the group's behalf for not responding sooner and to draw his attention to the resolution taken on its contents due date now next week

DKA: needs to be done. Will email Chaals

<dom> ACTION-807?

<trackbot> ACTION-807 -- Kai Scheppe to check on discussion of mobileOK pertinent issues in POWDER -- due 2008-07-10 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/807

<Zakim> jo, you wanted to note that Phil has discussed this with us

<dom> is there a pointer to the results of ACTION-807?

DKA: 12 <descriptorset>

13 <typeof src="http://www.w3.org/2008/06/mobileOK#conformant" />

14 <displaytext>The example.com webiste conforms to mobileOK</displaytext>

15 <displayicon src="http://www.w3.org/ICONS/mobileOK.png" />

16 </descriptorset>

Kai: This has been discussed and the above example is the current state of the mobileOK example

Jo: not a high priority

<dom> so, is ACTION-807 to be closed, then?

DKA: ok let's move on

<jo> [jo notes that Kai is of course much more up to date than Jo]

Dom, yes

<dom> [I suggest adjourning]

<dom> close ACTION-807

<trackbot> ACTION-807 Check on discussion of mobileOK pertinent issues in POWDER closed

DkA: should we close the call?

<jeffs> a move to adjourn is always in order

<yeliz> bye

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Dom to officialize the ETSI liasion on the W3C side [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff to look at providing examples for accessibility document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeffrey to look at providing examples for accessibility document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: jeffs to look at providing examples for accessibility document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-bpwg-minutes.html#action02]
 
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