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<Elisa> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/UsingZakim

<dlm> 518.608.aaaa is dlm

who is here?

<Elisa> http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html - documentation on Zakim

<cgi-irc> christine

scribenik: IanH

<ewallace> scribenick: IanH

<cgi-irc> christine on irc now

<dlm> is the agenda for today linked from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF

approve previous minutes

<ewallace> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.07

quick start

Elisa: have made progress
... working on wiki as sandbox for outline and contents
... have a decent outline; wiki is challenging
... will take snapshots and post to WG site
... need functional syntax to be heavily linked and tagged
... need to show boris what is needed to get all this right
... detail still not tagged
... needed for quick links into document
... will probably copy something across next week
... will spend time on regular teleconf discussing what is needed

dlm: need constructors to be tagged

IanH: anything to see now?

Elisa: maybe webex next week

dlm: wiki is good way to work together

Elisa: will set up webex session next week for UFDTF to take a look
... or could provide RPI wiki logins

dlm: RPI probably won't like it
... next monday is AAAI -- anyone going? silence!

Evan: when can you copy to WG wiki -- same isn't it?

Elisa: not ready yet; hopefully next week.

dlm: following week might be safer

Evan: 21st?

Elisa: will be travelling but might be able to participate

Evan: good to have something to look at prior to F2F

Elisa: need for tagging

Evan: doc is already interesting and showing it would encourage tagging

Elisa: will copy over to WG wiki before the 21st

<ewallace> IanH: we will have a UFDTF telecon on 21 July

UCR

vipul: 2 parts to discussion -- structure and collaborative editing
... suggestions on using wiki?

Evan: has asked Sandro; need to break doc into pages

vipul: separate pages for each section and take locks when working on them

christine: disagree for now
... different sections are dependent
... current work not finished
... as mentioned in email
... cannot put things only in feature section and not other parts
... so suggest to wait
... too difficult to change structure

vipul: didn't intend to change structure -- sorry!
... are there dependencies between sections?

christine: working step by step
... still has use cases to input
... needs to put these with features

vipul: I have a bunch of use cases that I would like to add
... have to be careful not to clobber edits
... merging will be complex!

IanH: need to split or only christine can edit

christine: only need a short time

<ewallace> IanH: clearly having separate versions for each author won't work

christine: there is some logic in structure
... can I have a bit more time?

vipul: How much time?

christine: hard to say; it's slow to work on wiki
... goes on vacation on 12th

vipul: needs some time
... can you get done in a couple of days?

christine: wasn't any content before so I worked on it all

vipul: assumed I was owner of section -- so confusion
... when can you make a decouplable structure?

IanH: Thanks due to Christine
... but splitting structure would now allow others to join in

Christine: one or two days then split and I will work only on features.

vipul: give us a time

Evan: maybe by Wednesday?

Christine: can't promise, but hope so

Evan: status email on Wednesday?

Christine: OK - Wednesday by the latest
... sent an email detailing what is left to do
... has structured doc according to features
... do we want to change this structure?
... cross references reflect this structure

vipul: use cases will refer to requirements and features and vice versa

christine: scribe failure

detailed structure discussion not scribed...

<ewallace> link to Christine's page?

<cgi-irc> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft

<vipul> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Who_Reads_Our_Documents

<vipul> List of users and stakeholders

<ewallace> ah

<ewallace> Christine has an order of use cases in mind

Christine: the ordering of use cases is important

vipul: depends on perspective

<ewallace> ...based on some prioritization of the requirements the UCs call out

<ewallace> IanH: It seems that we can reasonably postpone the decision on the ordering of the UCs

vipul: how about I create a new use case section with my ordering
... see how that looks

dlm: would you pull in who reads our document use cases?

<ewallace> IanH: the suggestion on the table is to add a new use case section for Vipul (and others)

<ewallace> to add use cases separate from Christine's section

Christine: OK provided its possible to keep my ordering in the end!

IanH: that is a discussion for later
... How about splitting structure now?

Christine: will you touch requirements?

<cgi-irc> yes

vipul: will you touch 3, 4 and 5?

Christine: I will touch all sections
... I will finish by wednesday
... from then I will work on features

vipul: after wednesday I will work on a new use cases section
... will create shell document after wednesday

Evan: I will do shell after Wednesday

dlm: will look over use cases when ready

next meeting next week

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