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14:00:55 <IanH> Sorry I'm late; dialing now.
14:01:23 <IanH> zakim, this is owl
14:01:23 <Zakim> ok, IanH; that matches SW_OWL()10:00AM
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14:02:28 <IanH> How do I raise my hand?
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14:03:33 <Elisa> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/UsingZakim
14:04:03 <IanH> zakim, unmute me
14:04:03 <Zakim> sorry, IanH, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:04:14 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
14:04:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Elisa_Kendall, ??P8, Evan_Wallace, ??P9, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.518.608.aaaa
14:04:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see dlm, IanH, Elisa, RRSAgent, Zakim, sandro, ewallace, trackbot
14:04:30 <IanH> zakim, ??P8 is me
14:04:30 <Zakim> +IanH; got it
14:04:35 <dlm> 518.608.aaaa is dlm
14:05:11 <IanH> who is here?
14:05:13 <Elisa> http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html - documentation on Zakim
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14:05:24 <ewallace> zakim, who is here?
14:05:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Elisa_Kendall, IanH, Evan_Wallace, ??P9, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.518.608.aaaa
14:05:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see vipul, dlm, IanH, Elisa, RRSAgent, Zakim, sandro, ewallace, trackbot
14:05:52 <IanH> zakim, aaaa is dlm
14:05:53 <Zakim> +dlm; got it
14:05:58 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
14:05:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Elisa_Kendall, IanH, Evan_Wallace, ??P9, Vipul_Kashyap, dlm
14:06:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see vipul, dlm, IanH, Elisa, RRSAgent, Zakim, sandro, ewallace, trackbot
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14:06:34 <cgi-irc> christine
14:06:34 <IanH> zakim, ??p9 is christine
14:06:34 <Zakim> +christine; got it
14:06:43 <ewallace> zakim, who is here?
14:06:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Elisa_Kendall, IanH, Evan_Wallace, christine, Vipul_Kashyap, dlm
14:06:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see cgi-irc, vipul, dlm, IanH, Elisa, RRSAgent, Zakim, sandro, ewallace, trackbot
14:07:41 <IanH> scribenik: IanH
14:08:05 <ewallace> scribenick: IanH
14:08:20 <cgi-irc> christine on irc now
14:09:21 <dlm> is the agenda for today linked from  http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF
14:09:32 <IanH> approve previous minutes
14:09:44 <ewallace> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Agenda.2008.07.07
14:10:15 <IanH> topic: quick start
14:10:37 <IanH> Elisa: have made progress
14:10:51 <IanH> ... working on wiki as sandbox for outline and contents
14:11:04 <IanH> ... have a decent outline; wiki is challenging
14:11:27 <IanH> ... will take snapshots and post to WG site
14:11:48 <IanH> ... need functional syntax to be heavily linked and tagged
14:12:13 <IanH> ... need to show boris what is needed to get all this right
14:12:22 <IanH> ... detail still not tagged
14:12:33 <IanH> ... needed for quick links into document
14:12:51 <IanH> ... will probably copy something across next week
14:13:06 <IanH> ... will spend time on regular teleconf discussing what is needed
14:13:17 <IanH> dlm: need constructors to be tagged
14:13:55 <IanH> IanH: anything to see now?
14:14:04 <IanH> Elisa: maybe webex next week
14:14:32 <IanH> dlm: wiki is good way to work together
14:15:05 <IanH> Elisa: will set up webex session next week for UFDTF to take a look
14:15:23 <IanH> Elisa: or could provide RPI wiki logins
14:15:31 <IanH> dlm: RPI probably won't like it
14:16:04 <IanH> dlm: next monday is AAAI -- anyone going? silence!
14:16:24 <IanH> Evan: when can you copy to WG wiki -- same isn't it?
14:16:35 <IanH> Elisa: not ready yet; hopefully next week.
14:16:45 <IanH> dlm: following week might be safer
14:16:50 <IanH> Evan: 21st?
14:17:03 <IanH> Elisa: will be travelling but might be able to participate
14:18:12 <IanH> Evan: good to have something to look at prior to F2F
14:18:29 <IanH> Elisa: need for tagging
14:18:46 <IanH> Evan: doc is already interesting and showing it would encourage tagging
14:19:16 <IanH> Elisa: will copy over to WG wiki before the 21st
14:21:02 <ewallace> IanH: we will have a UFDTF telecon on 21 July
14:21:50 <IanH> topic: UCR
14:22:16 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
14:23:04 <IanH> vipul: 2 parts to discussion -- structure and collaborative editing
14:23:27 <IanH> vipul: suggestions on using wiki?
14:23:45 <IanH> Evan: has asked Sandro; need to break doc into pages
14:24:02 <IanH> vipul: separate pages for each section and take locks when working on them
14:24:12 <IanH> christine: disagree for now
14:24:27 <IanH> ... different sections are dependent
14:24:37 <IanH> ... current work not finished
14:24:48 <IanH> ... as mentioned in email
14:25:06 <IanH> ... cannot put things only in feature section and not other parts
14:25:12 <IanH> ... so suggest to wait
14:25:38 <IanH> ... too difficult to change structure
14:25:57 <IanH> vipul: didn't intend to change structure -- sorry!
14:26:13 <IanH> vipul: are there dependencies between sections?
14:26:22 <IanH> christine: working step by step
14:26:34 <IanH> ... still has use cases to input
14:26:43 <IanH> ... needs to put these with features
14:26:58 <IanH> vipul: I have a bunch of use cases that I would like to add
14:27:21 <IanH> ... have to be careful not to clobber edits
14:27:28 <IanH> ... merging will be complex!
14:28:31 <IanH> IanH: need to split or only christine can edit
14:28:41 <IanH> christine: only need a short time
14:28:46 <ewallace> IanH: clearly having separate versions for each author won't work
14:29:00 <IanH> ... there is some logic in structure
14:29:08 <IanH> ... can I have a bit more time?
14:29:39 <IanH> vipul: How much time?
14:30:07 <IanH> christine: hard to say;  it's slow to work on wiki
14:30:14 <IanH> ... goes on vacation on 12th
14:30:22 <IanH> vipul: needs some time
14:30:31 <IanH> ... can you get done in a couple of days?
14:32:34 <IanH> christine: wasn't any content before so I worked on it all
14:32:48 <IanH> vipul: assumed I was owner of section -- so confusion
14:33:03 <IanH> ... when can you make a decouplable structure?
14:34:42 <IanH> IanH: Thanks due to Christine
14:34:59 <IanH> ... but splitting structure would now allow others to join in
14:35:17 <IanH> Christine: one or two days then split and I will work only on features.
14:35:34 <IanH> vipul: give us a time
14:35:42 <IanH> Evan: maybe by Wednesday?
14:36:13 <IanH> Christine: can't promise, but hope so
14:36:22 <IanH> Evan: status email on Wednesday?
14:36:35 <IanH> Christine: OK - Wednesday by the latest
14:36:59 <IanH> ... sent an email detailing what is left to do
14:37:14 <IanH> ... has structured doc according to features
14:37:21 <IanH> ... do we want to change this structure?
14:37:46 <IanH> ... cross references reflect this structure
14:38:12 <IanH> vipul: use cases will refer to requirements and features and vice versa
14:38:44 <IanH> christine: scribe failure
14:39:11 <IanH> detailed structure discussion not scribed...
14:45:43 <ewallace> link to Christine's page?
14:46:14 <cgi-irc> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft
14:47:46 <vipul> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Who_Reads_Our_Documents
14:47:53 <vipul> List of users and stakeholders
14:49:02 <ewallace> ah
14:49:51 <ewallace> Christine has an order of use cases in mind
14:49:54 <IanH> Christine: the ordering of use cases is important
14:50:38 <IanH> vipul: depends on perspective
14:50:49 <ewallace> ...based on some prioritization of the requirements the UCs call out
14:51:43 <ewallace> IanH: It seems that we can reasonably postpone the decision on the ordering of the UCs
14:52:12 <IanH> vipul: how about I create a new use case section with my ordering 
14:52:16 <IanH> ... see how that looks
14:52:41 <IanH> dlm: would you pull in who reads our document use cases?
14:53:39 <ewallace> IanH: the suggestion on the table is to add a new use case section for Vipul (and others)
14:54:00 <ewallace> to add use cases separate from Christine's section
14:55:33 <IanH> Christine: OK provided its possible to keep my ordering in the end!
14:55:47 <IanH> IanH: that is a discussion for later
14:57:09 <IanH> ... How about splitting structure now?
14:58:16 <IanH> Christine: will you touch requirements?
14:58:25 <cgi-irc> yes
14:59:27 <IanH> vipul: will you touch 3, 4 and 5?
14:59:41 <IanH> Christine: I will touch all sections
15:00:34 <IanH> ... I will finish by wednesday
15:00:54 <IanH> ... from then I will work on features
15:01:11 <IanH> vipul: after wednesday I will work on a new use cases section
15:01:47 <IanH> ... will create shell document after wednesday
15:02:00 <IanH> Evan: I will do shell after Wednesday
15:02:42 <IanH> dlm: will look over use cases when ready
15:04:00 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
15:04:01 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
15:04:04 <IanH> next meeting next week
15:04:06 <Zakim> -dlm
15:04:08 <Zakim> -christine
15:04:11 <Zakim> -IanH
15:04:13 <Zakim> SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended
15:04:15 <Zakim> Attendees were Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, Vipul_Kashyap, +1.518.608.aaaa, IanH, dlm, christine
15:04:31 <ewallace> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:04:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/07-owl-minutes.html ewallace
15:04:45 <ewallace> rrsagent, make log world-readable
15:04:57 <ewallace> rrsagent, make log public
15:05:26 <IanH> Thanks Evan!
15:08:41 <IanH> Glad to help out, and good to see that things are really moving forward now
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