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Roland: These are done
Roland: We are still waiting for some people to
register
... we'll come back to this
Roland: Status? Gregory had an action, but he's not here (yet)
Rich: In the latest ARIA spec, we have a
section on host languages
... so I think the namespace issue is resolved
<Rich> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-wai-aria-20080204/#implementation
Rich: I'm not sure what the issue is
... I think it has been resolved
... we have taken the parameters from XHTML2, and we think we will be in
HTML5
Roland: You are preparing to go to Last Call, so you think you have no outstanding issues?
Rich: We are doing a new draft, and we are preparing to go to last call in about 6 weeks.
Shane: Do you mean namespaced values, or a namespaced attribute
Rich: They are incorporating all the values
without namespaces into HTML5
... the attribute will be native in the language
... we have to fix it up in middleware
Shane: We have a role attribute in the rec
track
... what is the relation?
Rich: We have a namespaced version in Firefox
2, and without namespace in Firefox 3
... (the values are not namespaced)
Shane: That is insane
Roland: So from the ARIA spec point of view you are wrapping up for last call, and there are no issues that we need to deal with?
Rich: No
Roland: OK
Roland: I'm following the process, I have
talked to some chairs, and the HCG
... The proposed dates were in the message I sent to the chairs
Steven: Then there is an action on me to finalise this at HCG
Roland: The dates were "starting ASAP and
ending 4 weeks later"
... I leave for Venice tomorrow, so Steven is doing this at HCG
... We have received some feedback already for CURIES this week
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2008JanMar/0006.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2008JanMar/0007
Shane: This is mostly editorial
Steven: With a negative comment at the end of Walsh's
Shane: Yes I wish he would say what the costs
are, because I don't think there are any
... I'll fix the editorial comments
... too bad Mark isn't here
... There is the issue of alternative prefixing mechanisms
... these are to support non XML languages
... the wording seems to suggest that they could be used in XML as well
... (I personally object to using xmlns for Curies, but no one else seems to
share this worry)
Roland: Maybe a note in the spec that we would like feedback on this issue?
Shane: Oh yes, since this is last call; I like
that
... Norm and Stuart both indicated that there ought to be an XML schema
datatype for CURIEs
Steven: Does he think it should be an xh:CURIE or an xsd:curie?
Shane: The latter
Roland: Will you fix these comments before LC?
Shane: Sure
... The one comment I don't know how to address is that we assert that QNames
are inappropriate for use in attributes
... Norm doesn't find the reasons compelling
Roland: They are used that way regardless
Steven: The big reason for CURIEs for me is that the value space is all URIs, while QNames have a restricted space
Shane: And we say that
Steven: Absolutely
Roland: The LC will flush all these things and we can deal with them once and for all
Roland: Status?
Shane: We got comments from the semweb
people
... that Mark needs to update the doc for
... the Semweb group hasn't yet agreed to go to last call until those edits
are done
Steven: I haven't had a response yet; maybe because of XML10; I'll ping them again
Roland: Moving to PR
Steven: I have a draft implementation report that I will finish and post for the FtF
Roland: OK
Roland: There are a few actions outstanding
... even though it is waiting on M12N
... the first is inputmode
Shane: That is still to be done
Roland: The second is Ruby with schema additions
Shane: How do we do that?
Steven: Do we own it?
Shane: No
Steven: It's owned by I18N WG
http://www.w3.org/International/core/
Steven: It looks like Richard Ishida is the team contact
Shane: It only needs an appendix with a schema
Steven: Addison Phillips of Yahoo is the chair
Shane: We already have the schema module
Steven: Shall I contact I18N?
Shane: It is pretty trivial
Steven: It would be a PER
Roland: Where is the schema module?
<ShaneM> Schema modules are in here: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/SCHEMA/
<scribe> ACTION: Steven to contact I18N to PER Ruby with a schema module [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/13-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: Steven to ping Bratt/TBL about M12N transition [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/13-xhtml-minutes.html#action02]
Roland: The other issue was "Mark creates
integration set example "
... but since he isn't here, we'll leave that for now
<Roland> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2007-02-Venice-FtF-Agenda
Steven: We will be using Zakim to conference
in, and this IRC channel
... I will take a conference phone
... Is there anything around Print?
Roland: It is a Rec, what needs to be done?
Steven: A Schema when M12N is ready
... and don't forget Basic implementation report on the agenda
Gerrie: Melinda Grant is currently unavailable,
but there are some things left open
... test suites, and errata
... I will try and get enough information for us to deal with it
http://www.w3.org/2006/03/REC-xhtml-print-20060328-errata.html
Steven: The errata doc is currently empty
... which may mean that Melinda has some errata that need to be recorded
... are there any outstanding issues in the DB Shane?
Shane: No, there is nothing
Gerrie: I will get back to Melinda
Roland: Two of us sent comments
... and Shane you have an action
Shane: I will do them when I address the comments
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Feb/0004.html
Rich: I think we are using the OWL things just as an example
Roland: We should eat our own dogfood
... and have stuff at the end of our NS URI
Shane: I would use RDFa
Rich: It really helped us to do this since we
could reduce our number of properties
... (in ARIA)
... OWL is fantastic for that
Steven: Do we have an OWL expert in the group?
Rich: As an example, when Microsoft was looking
at our taxonomy, and we found some roles that were overlapping, so we could
thin them down
... we could also break up structural components vs widgets
Shane: Great. Then we should put that OWL stuff at the end of the #vocab URI
Roland: We should spend some time thinking about this
Steven: Maybe look at the ARIA stuff during the FtF
Roland: There are a number of groups on W3C doing this stuff
Roland: So no call next week (FtF)
Steven: The dial in details will be on the IRC channel
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