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14:03:34 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
14:03:34 <Roland> Zakim, list
14:03:35 <Zakim> I see IA_XHTML2()9:00AM, WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM active
14:03:36 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time is I18N_TS()9:00AM
14:04:16 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
14:04:16 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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14:04:18 <Roland> Zakim, this is XHTML2
14:04:18 <Zakim> Roland, this was already IA_XHTML2()9:00AM
14:04:19 <Zakim> ok, Roland; that matches IA_XHTML2()9:00AM
14:04:56 <Steven> zakim, drop steven
14:04:56 <Zakim> Steven is being disconnected
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14:05:05 <ShaneM> low tech crap
14:05:29 <Roland> we were listening to answering service
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14:06:47 <Zakim> +Rich; got it
14:07:55 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
14:07:55 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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14:08:22 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
14:08:34 <Steven> Meeting; XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
14:08:40 <Steven> Chair: Roland
14:09:01 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Feb/0006.html
14:09:20 <Steven> Topic: Reviews:
14:09:30 <Steven> Roland: These are done
14:09:33 <Steven> Topic: FtF
14:09:42 <Steven> Roland: We are still waiting for some people to register
14:09:50 <Zakim> -ShaneM
14:10:24 <Steven> ... we'll come back to this
14:10:28 <Steven> Topic: ARIA
14:10:36 <Zakim> +ShaneM
14:10:48 <Steven> Roland: Status? Gregory had an action, but he's not here (yet)
14:11:08 <Steven> Rich: In the latest ARIA spec, we have a sectiopn on host languages
14:11:22 <Steven> ... so I think the namespace issue is resolved
14:12:02 <Rich> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-wai-aria-20080204/#implementation
14:12:21 <Steven> ... I'm not sure what the issue is
14:12:28 <Steven> ... I think it has been resolved
14:14:17 <Steven> ... we have taken the parameters from XHTML2, and we think we will be in HTML5
14:14:45 <Steven> Roland: You are preparing to go to Last Call, so you think you have no outstanding issues?
14:15:10 <Steven> Rich: We are doing a new draft, and we are preparing to go to last call in about 6 weeks.
14:15:28 <Steven> Shane: Do you mean namespaced values, or a namespaced attribute
14:15:52 <Steven> Rich: They are incorporating all the values without namespaces into HTML5
14:16:06 <Steven> ... the attribute will be native in the language
14:16:14 <Steven> ... we have to fix it up in middleware
14:16:33 <Steven> Shane: We have a role attribute in the rec track
14:16:38 <Steven> ... what is the relation?
14:16:59 <Steven> Rich: We have a namespaced version in Firefox 2, and without namespace in Firefox 3
14:17:20 <Steven> ... (the values are not namespaced)
14:17:30 <Steven> Shane: That is insane
14:18:16 <Steven> Roland: So from the ARIA spec point of view you are wrapping up for last call, and there are no issues that we need to deal with?
14:18:19 <Steven> Rich: No
14:18:31 <Steven> Roland: OK
14:18:38 <Steven> Topic: CURIE to last call
14:18:57 <Steven> Roland: I'm following the process, I have talked to some chairs, and the HCG
14:19:19 <Steven> Regrets: MarkB
14:20:03 <Steven> Roland: The proposed dates were in the message I sent to the chairs
14:20:25 <Steven> Steven: Then there is an action on me to finalise this at HCG
14:20:43 <Steven> Roalnd: The dates were "starting ASAP and ending 4 weeks later"
14:21:00 <Steven> Roland: I leave for Venice tomorrow, so Steven is doing this at HCG
14:21:10 <Steven> s/Roal/Rola/
14:21:28 <Steven> Roland: We have received some feedback already for CURIES this week
14:22:03 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2008JanMar/0006.html
14:22:07 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2008JanMar/0007
14:23:04 <Steven> Shane: This is mostly editorial
14:23:19 <Steven> Steven: With a negative comment at the end of Walsh's
14:23:37 <Steven> Shane, Yes, I wish he would say what the costs are, because I don't think there are any
14:23:47 <Steven> ... I'll fix the editorial comments
14:24:06 <Steven> ... too bad Mark isn't here
14:24:32 <Steven> Shane: There is the issue of alternative prefixing mechanisms
14:24:45 <Steven> ... these are to support non XML languages
14:25:07 <Steven> ... the wording seems to suggest that they could be used in XML as well
14:25:24 <Steven> ... (I personally object to using xmlns for Curies, but no one else seems to share this worry)
14:25:48 <Steven> Roland: Maybe a note in the spec that we would like feedback on this issue?
14:25:57 <Steven> Shane: Oh yes, since this is last call; I like that
14:26:22 <Steven> SHane: Norm and Stuart both indicated that there ought to be an XML schema datatype for CURIEs
14:26:26 <Steven> s/SH/Sh/
14:28:45 <Steven> Steven: Does he think it should be an xh:CURIE or an xsd:curie?
14:28:48 <Steven> Shane: THe latter
14:28:55 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
14:29:42 <Steven> Roland: Will you fix these comments beforeLC?
14:29:46 <Steven> Shane: Sure
14:29:52 <Steven> s/LC/ LC/
14:30:22 <Steven> Shane: The one comment I don't know how to address is that we assert that QNames are inappropriate for use in attributes
14:30:33 <Steven> ... Norm doesn't find the reasons compelling
14:30:51 <Steven> Roland: They are used that way regardless
14:31:37 <Zakim> -ShaneM
14:32:03 <Zakim> +ShaneM
14:32:18 <Steven> Steven: THe big reason for CURIEs for me is that the value space is all URIs, while QNames have a restricted space
14:32:23 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
14:32:41 <Steven> Shane: And we say that
14:32:46 <Steven> Steven: Absolutely
14:32:59 <Steven> Roland: THe LC will flush all these things and we can deal with them once and for all
14:33:04 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
14:33:17 <Steven> Topic: RDFa Syntax
14:33:20 <Steven> Roland: Status?
14:33:38 <Steven> Shane: We got comments from the semweb people
14:33:50 <Steven> ... that Mark needs to update the doc for
14:34:48 <Steven> ... the Semweb group hasn't yet agreed to go to last call until those edits are done
14:36:04 <Steven> Topic: M12N transition
14:36:56 <Steven> Steven: I haven't had a response yet; maybe because of XML10; I'll ping them again
14:37:21 <Steven> Topic: XHTML Basic
14:37:29 <Steven> Roland: Moving to PR
14:37:56 <Steven> Steven: I have a draft implementation report that I will finish and post for the FtF
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14:38:08 <Steven> Roland: OK
14:38:20 <Steven> Topic: XHTML 1.1 2e
14:38:30 <Steven> Roland: There are a few actions outstanding
14:38:38 <Steven> ... even though it is waiting on M12N
14:39:15 <Steven> ... the first is inputmode
14:39:20 <Steven> Shane: That is still to be done
14:39:44 <Steven> Roland: The second is Ruby with schema additions
14:39:50 <Steven> Shane: How do we do that?
14:39:56 <Steven> Steven: Do we own it?
14:39:59 <Steven> Shane: No
14:40:20 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/
14:40:53 <Steven> Steven: It's owned by I18N WG
14:41:20 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/International/core/
14:42:11 <Steven> Steven: It looks like Richard Ishida is the team contact
14:42:24 <Steven> Shane: It only needs an appendix with a schema
14:42:44 <Steven> Steven: Addison Phillips of Yahoo is the chair
14:43:24 <Steven> Shane: We already have the schema module
14:43:38 <Steven> Steven: Shall I contact I18N?
14:43:50 <Steven> Shane: It is pretty trivial
14:43:54 <Steven> Steven: It would be a PER
14:44:01 <Steven> Roland: Where is the schema module
14:44:16 <Steven> s/module/module?/
14:44:25 <ShaneM> Schema modules are in here: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/SCHEMA/
14:44:47 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to contact I18N to PER Ruby with a schema module
14:45:23 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to ping Bratt/TBL about M12N transition
14:45:53 <Steven> Roland: The other issue was "Mark creates integration set example "
14:46:08 <Steven> ... but since he isn't here, we'll leave that for now
14:46:16 <Steven> Topic: FtF Agenda
14:46:28 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2007-02-Venice-FtF-Agenda
14:46:45 <Zakim> -ShaneM
14:46:52 <Steven> Steven: We will be using Zakim to conference in, and this IRC channel
14:47:04 <Steven> ... I will take a conference phone
14:47:20 <Zakim> +McCarron
14:47:51 <ShaneM> zakim, McCarron is ShaneM
14:47:51 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
14:48:32 <Steven> Steven: Is there anything around Print?
14:48:41 <Steven> Roland: It is a Rec, what needs to be done?
14:48:49 <Steven> Steven: A Schema when M12N is ready
14:49:09 <Steven> ... and don't forget Basic implementation report on the agenda
14:49:27 <Steven> Gerrie: Melinda Grant is currently unavailable, but there are some things left open
14:49:34 <Steven> ... test suites, and errata
14:49:48 <Steven> ... I will try and get enough information for us to deal with it
14:50:20 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2006/03/REC-xhtml-print-20060328-errata.html
14:50:35 <Steven> Steven: The errata doc is currently empty
14:50:51 <Steven> ... which may mean that Melinda has some errata that need to be recorded
14:51:13 <Steven> ... are there any outstanding issues in the DB Shane?
14:52:07 <Steven> Shane: No, there is nothing
14:52:22 <Steven> Gerrie: I will get back to Melinda
14:53:10 <Steven> Topic: Role atribute module
14:53:15 <Steven> s/atr/attr/
14:53:29 <Steven> Roland: Two of us sent comments
14:54:16 <Steven> ... and Shane you have an action
14:54:27 <Steven> Shane: I will do them when I address the comments
14:54:48 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Feb/0004.html
14:54:59 <Steven> Rich: I think we are using the OWL things just as an example
14:55:51 <Steven> Roland: We should eat our own dogfood
14:56:03 <Steven> ... and have stuff at the end of our NS URI
14:56:19 <Steven> Shane: I would use RDFa
14:56:43 <Steven> Rich: It really helped us to do this since we could reduce our number of properties
14:56:51 <Steven> ... (in ARIA)
14:56:59 <Steven> ... OWL is fantastic for that
14:57:24 <Steven> Steven: Do we have an OWL expert in the group?
14:58:28 <Steven> Rich: As an example, when Microsoft was looking at our taxonomy, and we found some roles that were overlapping, so we could thin them down
14:58:49 <Steven> ... we could also break up structural components vs widgets
14:59:24 <Steven> Shane: Great. Then we should put that OWL stuff at the end of the #vocab URI
15:00:13 <Steven> Roland: We should spend some time thinking about this
15:00:48 <Steven> Steven: Maybe look at the ARIA stuff during the FtF
15:01:08 <Steven> Roland: There are a number of groups on W3C doing this stuff
15:01:18 <Steven> Topic: AOB
15:01:44 <Steven> Roland: So no call next week (FtF)
15:01:54 <Steven> Steven: The dial in details will be on the IRC channel
15:01:55 <Zakim> -ShaneM
15:01:59 <Zakim> -gshults
15:02:01 <Zakim> -yamx
15:02:02 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
15:02:04 <Zakim> -Roland
15:02:09 <Zakim> -Rich
15:02:10 <Zakim> -Steven
15:02:13 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has ended
15:02:15 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, gshults, ShaneM, yamx, Steven, Rich
15:02:19 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:02:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/13-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
15:02:27 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
15:02:33 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:02:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/13-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
15:03:04 <Steven> s/Meeting;/Meeting:/
15:03:37 <ShaneM> steven - help?
15:03:41 <Steven> s/Shane, Yes,/Shane: Yes
15:03:55 <Steven> wassup Shane?
15:04:13 <ShaneM> w3c MarkUp folder seems to have lost its 2008 subfolder
15:04:17 <Steven> woh
15:04:19 <Steven> just a moment
15:05:13 <Steven> It's still there on jigteam
15:05:17 <Steven> , lookign further
15:06:16 <Steven> hmm
15:06:31 <Steven> it's there, but has an (empty?) Overview.html file
15:07:18 <Steven> yep, it's empty
15:10:20 <Steven> I've removed the empty Overview.html file Shane
15:10:59 <ShaneM> it doesnt show up in my space for whatever reason
15:11:08 <ShaneM> maybe I dont have permission for that folder?
15:11:28 <Steven> Well, it's odd, because it says that it is world access
15:11:29 <ShaneM> but worse yet there were FILES in there
15:11:37 <Steven> even the folder itself
15:11:40 <ShaneM> I mean - we havre done editors drafts this year
15:11:51 <Steven> They are all there, I can see them
15:11:51 <ShaneM> maybe its a jigedit access setting thing?
15:12:00 <ShaneM> and I could see them a few days ago
15:12:07 <Steven> hmm
15:12:31 <ShaneM> well - at least the files aren't gone - that woudl have sucked
15:12:32 <Steven> Are you looking at www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ ? or via another route?
15:12:47 <ShaneM> I am talking about jigedit
15:13:02 <ShaneM> http://jigedit.w3.org/smccarro/WWW/MarkUp/ is my path
15:13:27 <Steven> Well, I can see them under the above URI, and under jigteam.
15:13:33 <ShaneM> I cannot access 2008 under that folder, nor does it show up in my CVS tree for that folder.
15:13:34 <Steven> Not sure if I have a jigedit
15:13:40 <Steven> maybe it's a CVS problem
15:13:45 <Steven> looking
15:15:18 <Steven> And you're view on that space has no /2008/ ?
15:15:26 <Steven> s/you're/your/
15:15:26 <ShaneM> yes
15:15:53 <Steven> This calls for super Sysreq
15:16:22 <ShaneM> can you contact whomeever?  I wouldn't even know what to ask
15:18:01 <Steven> Doing it
15:18:09 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:18:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/13-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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