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<Ralph> previous 2008-01-03
<markbirbeck> zakim i am ?
<scribe> Scribe: Steven
<scribe> Chair: Ben
Ben: The SW WG have asked us for a new WD soon
Steven: Our timeline says last call end of this month
Ben: Right, so we have to work fast
Mark: I'm pessimistic; resolved things seem to get unresolved at short notice
Ben: Mea possibly culpa, for not marking issues closed
<Ralph> namespace for non-prefixed values of @rel (still open)
Mark: How do we break out of this cycle though?
Ben: Michael has been recording
resolutions; we need to be stricter about reopening
issues
... The reason I'm optimistic is because if we resolve the
issues, the changes are just one line
<ShaneM> we have an "issue" element in the markup dtd
http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
<markbirbeck> Steven..if we believe that process has caused us problems, then it's time well spent.
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
<benadida> --> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa/ImplReport
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
Ben: I'd like to resolve that
today
... Mark, are you happy with the proposal
Mark: Mostly, though I have some
suggestions
... to be discussed at the right place in the
agenda
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Manu to change Libby's email address to Michael's in all test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
<benadida> --> http://dataportability.org/
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: Shane to update syntax doc to remove Libby's email address (and replace it with Michael's) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]
<msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
Manu: 61, 62, 63 need to be
re-reviewed
... go to that URL above, and select "unreviewed"
<Ralph> -- test 73 Relative URI in @resource (with XHTML base in head)
Ben: looks good to me
Mark: The subject is wrong
... it should be the base
msporny: Approved with that change
<Ralph> -- test 74 Relative URI in @href (with XHTML base in head)
msporny: test 74
... has the same issue
... just uses href instead of resource
Mark: But there is an ongoing issue with Ivan that affects this
Ben: I don't think that this affects this test case
Mark: Disagree
... the discussion about 'spurious' triples applies here
too
Ben: No one argues that this shouldn't produce these triples
Mark: But they should, that's the problem
<Ralph> Mark: I'd like to put test 74 on hold until we resolve the [spurious triples] issue
Mark: I think that this test should be put on hold until we resolve the 'spurious triples' issue
Ralph: How can we flag this as a case that will be reevaluated if we decide the other issue the other way?
Ben: So let's have the discussion
now
... we agree that rel="licence" generates a triple, and
rel="foo" doesn't
<benadida> <div rel="foaf:knows">
<benadida> ...
Mark: You are picking and choosing between moments when the user intends a triple and when not
<benadida> <a href="foo" />
<benadida> </div>
Ben: You need cases of avoiding triples just because there happens to be an href in there
Mark: If you add a rel="licence",
that was traditionally good HTML, so why does that add a
triple, and the other not?
... if you genuinely want to prevent the markup above, then you
should genuinely want to prevent test 74 as well
msporny: Let's put this on hold so we can move on here
Ben: Testcases are meant to
record our thinking
... Moving on, case 75
msporny: can't do, same problem
[Discussion of what the essence is of Mark and Ben's disagreement]
Mark: We need to precisely word the problem so that we can try and resolve it
<markbirbeck> <div resource="A">
<markbirbeck> <...>
<markbirbeck> </div>
Mark: The difference seems to be that my model is generic, whereas Ben and Ivan's have special case
a/case/cases/
Ben: I don't think so
Mark: But is this the only remaining question?
<benadida> <div about="#foo" rel="foaf:knows">
<benadida> <a href="#bar" />
<benadida> </div>
Ben: In this case, does href
complete the triple or not?
... that is the essence, though there is a secondary issue
[scribe missed what it was]
Mark: The second question applies to my <div resource="A">
<Ralph> Ben: second issue arises only if @href _does_ complete the triple in this example; then the issue would be what happens with @instanceof @href
Ben: I need to draw a graphic to explain my model; it may help the discussion
Mark: If I summarise these two questions, and imply that this is all, is that OK?
Ben: Yes
... I will do the graphic as well
... and the src issue is orthogonal
... Please front load RDFa work this week
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