See also: IRC log, previous 2007-09-25
Guus: propose to accept minutes
RESOLVED Minutes PROPOSED to accept minutes of 25 Sep telecon: http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html
Guus: planning dinner on monday
at 8
... will organize informal dinner on Sunday, and send on
details later this week
<Quent> +01224 = Quent
<TomB> 9 am
RalphS: do we know when we will be starting?
<RalphS> Guus: 0900-1800
<RalphS> I will arrange the usual telecon access code for the f2f
TomB: Leo posted to the list
about the reviews
... requested that swd summarize things that need to be
revised
... I merged the three reviews into a single document that
Michael will edit
... Michael proposed we remove style corrections, and focus on
points of substance, and I agree
... edit the file down to a short description of the points we
need to agree on
... I propose we put that on the agenda for discussion on
Monday 5-6
Guus: he can ask us to combine them, but we don't necessarily need to agree on all the comments
RalphS: it's reasonable for him to ask us to discuss amongst ourselves
<TomB> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/ReviewCoolURIs
TomB: thanks :)
Guus: any follow up action?
TomB: Michael is going to edit the document down, and if we agree to put it on the agenda then I'll add the various links to the agenda and to the pdf packet
Guus: do we feel it deserves time at our face to face?
TomB: I thought some issues were raised that are worth discussing in the context of vocabulary management, and it would follow on from that
vit: I agree
... don't think we'll need much time after vocab management
discussion
Guus: i'd like to make it part of vocab management discussion
<scribe> ACTION: Tom to write cover note to SWEO with links to 3 reviews and summary of main points + send to Working Group mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html#action02] [DONE]
aliman: still have something to write about simple extension proposal
Guus: alistair and i will finish this up for the f2f
Amsterdam agenda topic: "Label relations" (Guus)
<scribe> --CONTINUES
Guus: would be good if TomB would chair the discussion
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-25 [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05]
<RalphS> Alistair's document on labeling properties
Amsterdam topic "Labeling properties"
RalphS, ok
aliman: there should be some initial discussion about what the semantics should be and then we'll get into the technical discussion of how we will implement that
Amsterdam topic "Semantic Relation Properties" (Sean)
Guus: is the input in the wiki what we shoudl consider?
seanb: key issue is whether broader/narrower are transitive or not
Guus: the debate around skos queries should make the issue become clearer
Amsterdam topic "Concept Semantics" (Antoine)
seanb: do you want some sort presentation?
Guus: one thing you could do is to make clear what the decision points are -- what the working group needs to decide on
<RalphS> [Tom] Amsterdam reading packet
TomB: i posted earlier today a
list of links to various reading material
... if people have additional readings let me know by tomorrow
or thursday, then i'll post the pdf file to the wiki
TomB++
<RalphS> yes, TomB++
Amsterdam topic "Concept Semantics" (Antoine)
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to make wiki page or list posting summarizing issues for "Concept Semantics" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action07] [CONTINUES]
Amsterdam topic "Drawing the picture" - no discussion leader yet
Guus: how is this stated on the agenda?
TomB: concept scheme containment was talked about as an aspect of drawing the pictures, so i moved this action to this topic
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to email a proposal to the list about Issue-36 ConceptSchemeContainment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/24-swd-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
Guus: after the f2f we'll bring
out new working drafts
... alistair I expect you could use help with that
... unlikely that dan could do that
aliman: haven't heard anything from dan about working on this
Guus: maybe people could think about whether they can help
aliman: skos primer and skos
semantics are the documents in question
... primer will need to be much more relaxed language, lots of
examples, diagrams -- semantic will need to be formally
precise, well worked out
Guus: what do we do first? :)
aliman: so far I've been working
on the semantics first
... makes it hard for others to work on, probably have to work
on both at the same time
Guus: i would expect that we should be able to write the primer once we've taken a decision on the open issues at the f2f
aliman: we'd have at least 1/2 or
the core
... in the primer
Guus: would be nice if a
vocabulary owner could be involved in the primer effort
... will be a question that comes up at the f2f
... well before the end of the year we should have either/or
(maybe both) the primer and the semantics document
published
<RalphS> RDFa Task Force meeting record from last week
RalphS: decided whether we can use existing html namespace -- decided to propose a new html namespace, more consistent with semweb practices
<RalphS> XHTML1.1 Namespace for rels
RalphS: I hope we'll be able to decide at the f2f whether to publish the syntax document
Guus: we should be able to decide
to publish the syntax document
... and whether to go rec-track
RalphS: different groups make
test cases part of the rec-track package
... we can discuss at f2f
<Zakim> TomB, you wanted to ask Sean if he has readings to add to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0004.html and to ask who has the action to put RDFa decisions
Ben: I will be able to join
TomB: who should take the action to add this to the f2f agenda?
Guus: I would hope Ben can link to do this
<RalphS> (I believe the two documents are already linked from the agenda)
<RalphS> (Ben, I believe Guus is asking that you send a mail proposing specifically the two questions: Publish First Public Working Draft of RDFa Syntax and Publish new version of RDFa Primer, both on REC track)
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to send formal request to send mail proposing Draft of RDFa Syntax and Publish new version of RDFa Primer, both on REC track) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/02-swd-minutes.html#action06]
Guus: JonP do you expect decisions on these issues (19-24)
JonP: it would be nice
Guus: do you also consider the cool uris to be relevant?
JonP: yes
Guus: i see lots of discussion points and not many decision points
vit: it's what i'm working on right now
Guus: would be useful to have in advance to f2f
vit: there is one section in the presentation that address these issues, can i post this to the list?
Guus: yes, summarize them for the list
vit: am afraid it will be a little bit abstract, but the presentation will provide context, should be able to send email by tomorrow
<scribe> ACTION: Vit to lead discussion about Vocabulary Management @ f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html#action17] [DROPPED]
<scribe> ACTION: Elisa to ask for feedback on VM draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-swd-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
Guus: meeting adjourned
<scribe> ACTION: all to register (indicate also that you're not planning to attend and/or want to attend via telecon) [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/02-swd-minutes.html#action09]
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Diego, Ed and Justin to review RDFa syntax document prior to f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html#action10] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [CONTINUES]