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Jeremy, harry, and john-l have made it to the phone.
Now chime has made it to the phone.
I recommend people try again.
<jjc-scribe> roll call: jeremy, chime, dan, john-l, harry
<scribe> Scribe: jjc
Anyone want to be on the phone who can't make it?
<briansuda> i am here
<jjc-scribe> brian on the phone
<DanC> except that today's the 28th
Hmmm...maybe that wasn't checked into CVS.
PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG Weekly -- 21 March 2007 as a true record
At least BrianS, jjc, HarryH, DanC, simone, rreck and Chime were there.
<scribe> ACTION: jjc to correct the minutes from 21 March 2007 to get full list of attendees. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
RESOLUTION: to approve http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/att-0139/21-grddl-wg-minutes.html pending jjc's corrections to attendee list.
* PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 4 April 11:00-0500. scribe volunteer?
# Patent Policy
PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 4 April 11:00-0500. scribe volunteer?
John-l will scribe.
Samsung and Citigroup hadn't filled out the web-form.
<scribe> ACTION: To communicate to Ian and Steve to figure out if Citigroup and Samsung not being in good standing. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
agendum 3. "W3C Fellows Program"
We may have more resources thanks to W3C Fellows Program.
agendum 4. GRDDL Spec: Last Call
<DanC> ACTION: [WITHDRAWN] Ian to clarify profileTransformation for JJC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
<jjc-scribe> > [[
<jjc-scribe> > The transformation property relates the XPath document nodes
<jjc-scribe> > to an RDF graph. These need not use RDF/XML as an intermediate
<jjc-scribe> > stage. To give an XSLT example, see testlist1#atomttl1, in which
<jjc-scribe> > the attribute-value media-type="text/rdf+n3" on the xsl:output
<jjc-scribe> > element indicates a different media type, from the default
<jjc-scribe> > value, within GRDDL, of "application/rdf+xml". GRDDL agents
<jjc-scribe> > that can process such a media type, can then produce an RDF graph
<jjc-scribe> > in accordance with the media type. Non-XSLT transforms may
<jjc-scribe> > indicate the RDF graph in some other, unspecified, fashion.
<jjc-scribe> > ]]
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to look at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007JanMar/0079. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
Chime believes jjc's text addresses as his concerns.
<DanC> 1.239 has a raw paste of the text in 0079, with a @@todo
Jeremy's previous non-normative suggestions on GRDDL Spec re validation and caching
I could see some informative text suggesting that you really try to minimize access to DTDs, namespace docs, etc.
DanC: Stick the namespace in your document explicitly and not rely on DTD
Chime: Does this address entity reference concern?
<DanC> I'm OK to to take an action around "stick the namespace in your document ; don't rely on getting it from the DTD"
jjc: Something will go wrong if you don't have DTD in there.
DanC: This would show up at GRDDL level.
<jjc-scribe> jjc: entity in html gets transformed into rdf content
I don't understand "who's on the phone"
<scribe> ACTION: jjc to take action to draft text to "don't write transforms that depend on whether or not its validated" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
Validation is not explicitly required by GRDDL.
My suggestion is that we add an explicit sentence in Faithful Infoset saying that "Validation is not explicitly required by GRDDL."
<jjc-scribe> text at end of section 6 in spec
<chimezie> I think commentary on entity issues should be placed after the faithful infoset section
<jjc-scribe> ACTION: jjc to draft test cases on validation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
<scribe> ACTION: Chime send out "We're still thinking about your comments, Stefano" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
jjc: I've added Jena tests to the pending list.
<DanC> "are you satisfied?" msg to ERH: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007JanMar/0078.html
<scribe> ACTION: jjc to update Elliotte with the fact that the tests that address his concerns are in pending. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]
Tony did say: "Best close it out here. :)
Chime: thinks the informative rules help here.
<chimezie> ?RDFXML gspec:rdfParse ?G.
<chimezie> in particular
<DanC> "If an information resource IR is represented by a conforming RDF/XML document[RDFX], then the RDF graph represented by that document is a GRDDL result of IR."
<chimezie> " * Whenever the RDF/XML spec says that an RDF/XML document with root node ROOT represents a graph G, we have ?ROOT gspec:rdfParse ?G.
<chimezie> Some from XPath and XSLT:"
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to respond to Tony Hammond [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]
<scribe> ACTION: Chime to make a visual representation of RDF graph and RDF/XML difference, HarryH to check in when done. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]
<scribe> ACTION: Chime to make a visual representation of RDF graph and RDF/XML difference, HarryH to check in when done for Primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]
<jjc-scribe> jeremy says that the above picture in primer seems to suffer the problem
<DanC> (the diagrams in the primer were made with MS ppt, I believe. I wonder if chime's diagram will look funky by comparison)
<jjc-scribe> discussion of oracle and product shipping
<scribe> ACTION: Ask Susie about GRDDL and Oracle deployment plans, and possible comments on spec if they actually read spec.. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action12]
<DanC> 1.240 <p class="ed">@@<a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007JanMar/0079.html">27 March from jjc</a></p>
<DanC> (if I haven't ack'd a comment by updating http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec in some way, please assume I forgot your comment and send it again next week)
<chimezie> The test case should call out to the spec about the right of the agent to follow a policy that doesn't allow GRDDL mechanism loops
<scribe> ACTION: jjc to modify #loopx to relate to discussion about SHOULD. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action13]
<chimezie> where is harry's wand?
agendum 7. Test Cases as Rec?
<DanC> (Zakim has not regained all of his marbles)
Should we Rec Test-Cases or not?
Agendum 9. Test-Cases
<scribe> ACTION: Chime to fix the relative URL problem [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action14]
Chime: A test-documet with internal anchors that are full URIs to test items.
<DanC> (I was trying to figure out who has the ball on test cases publication. Harry, I recommend you track the critical path much more clearly, at least in weekly agendas)
<jjc-scribe> chime - test doc has anchor to sections
<jjc-scribe> has links to test material to test directory
<chimezie> 1) A test document
<jjc-scribe> also has URIs for test instances that will be in GRDDL results
(I thought it was pretty clear and the working draft had been published.)
<chimezie> with it's own uri and fragments to test section
<DanC> (eek. I advise against minting http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-tests/#atomttl1 ; if it's been minted, I advise against further investment in it)
<DanC> (eek. I advise against http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-tests/atom-grddl.xml too)
<DanC> just keep http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#atomttl1
<chimezie> so the test material should always be the uri in the test 'repository' - grddl-wg/td/...
<jjc-scribe> Danc suggests dropping fragments in munging of testlist1 into TR space
<jjc-scribe> in order to avoid having multiple uris for same resource
Chime: I feel like we have consensus on test material.
Chime: Feels strongly that we unify URIs for human and machine-readable purposes.
<jjc-scribe> Description: (informative) <I4.6/Manifest003#test>
<john-l> <.w3.org/TR/grddl-tests/#atomttl1> a <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Document>; rdfs:sameAs <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1.html#atomttl1> ?
<jjc-scribe> links explicitly to http://www.w3.org/2002/03owlt/I4.6/Manifest003#test
<jjc-scribe> for the earl ouput chime is ambivalent about which uri to use?
<DanC> (I look forward to progress on: ACTION: jjc to produce EARL for his implementation, and then sort out multiple test passing in his EARL. )
We've published: http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-tests/
Now we need to fix the relative URI in the next publication of test cases.
<DanC> options are 404 (NO), 410 (maybe), 303 ...
<DanC> 301 moved permanently works for me
<scribe> ACTION: jjc to manufacture .htaccess file for test cases using 301 "Moved Permanently" and e-mail Jean Gui. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action15]
<DanC> the action is not just to email jean-gui; it's to get the redirect installed, with jean-gui's help
<scribe> ACTION: Chime to announce to firstname.lastname@example.org that GRDDL Test Cases is a WD. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action16]
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