See also: IRC log, previous 2006-12-18
next scribe (15 Jan): Steven
Ralph: next Monday (15 Jan) is an MIT holiday but I'll be at work
Ben: SWD WG face-to-face in 2 weeks
... we owe the WG a copy of Use Cases document tomorrow
<mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Agenda20060122
Ralph: We'll have teleconf facilities too in case travel cost is too great
<mhausenblas> I'll join via IRC on 2007-01-23 from 9-11 (UTC?)
-> face-to-face registration page
Ralph: the registration page shows the list of
groups who are planning to meet
... it's a much smaller list than normal Tech Plenary weeks
... agenda times are Boston local times; i.e. UTC-5
ACTION: Ben add chem-bla-ics use case to a science use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action17] [DONE]
Ben: see Advanced Structured Blogging for Scientists
<mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/
Ralph: I will announce the tracker instance to the WG as soon as I confirm that it works
ACTION: Ben add a forwarding pointer to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues when the new wiki issues list page is created [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Michael transfer issue data to SWD tracker [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action03]
Michael: MMSEM XG is using a tool to transfer issues from Wiki to HTML, I hope to reuse this to transfer data to tracker
ACTION: Ben look at Semantic Media Wiki use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action15] [WITHDRAWN]
Ben: Michael did everything I'd planned to do and more
ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML 1.1 module and spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
Mark: expected this to be a short action but
the changes to the XHTML modularization schemas in Q4 2006 were bigger than
I'd expected
... need to check with Shane that he's happy with my approach
... I think the modularization document should really only focus on the
schemas
Ben: right, point to the syntax document for the semantics
ACTION: [DONE] Michael move the issues list to the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action03]
ACTION: Michael review Mobile Device use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action16] [WITHDRAWN]
Michael: I think it's too soon to add this
... we can consider it later
ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]
Ben: this is looking a lot like the Advanced
Blogging use case
... may be some more data-oriented things after I look at it more
ACTION: Elias start an FAQ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]
Michael: I'm willing to start an FAQ
Ben: go ahead; I think Elias made an outline, so try to find it
<mhausenblas> http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#FAQ
Michael: transfer that to SWD Wiki?
Ralph: why not keep it where it is
Ben: we can cite it from SWD Wiki
... needs some introductory material
... let's withdraw Elias' action
ACTION: Michael continue work on the FAQ template that Elias started [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]
ACTION: Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]
Mark: keep this action, as it pertains to whether reification is or is not needed for RDFa
Ben: would be nice to have a well-accepted way to say who authorized a license
ACTION: Mark write examples/tests of striping support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action07] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc.. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action09] [CONTINUES]
Steven: was talking with Ivan and he thinks the Use Cases document is ready to publish
Ben: I'm reluctant to solicit SWD WG reviewers tomorrow; would like to let TF members have more time to comment
Mark: the editor's draft is publicly visible, right?
Ralph, Ben: right
Ralph: I'd like us to publish in www.w3.org/TR/ space asap
Ben: can everyone here do 30 mins of review by tomorrow and send my any comments?
[yes from everyone]
Ralph: we don't have to resolve all comments before publishing -- we can put in editorial notes saying "this needs work"
<benadida> Mark's comments
Ben: we could add '#' without much comment
Mark: the issue is about the subject in the triple
Ben: oops
... I'll update this, inclined to use proper #-uri without giving much
explanation
Mark: I've written about this a lot; I think
RDFa is a nice way to deal with the subject confusion
... e.g. we don't know what sort of resource the UC 1 hrefs are citing but we
do know definitely that the [default] subject is an HTML document, since
we've retrieved that document
... if we use #me that empasizes a nice convention
Steven: should we be referring to the URI of the image rather than an id ?
Ben: I copied that from Bob Ducharme without much thought
Mark: the IMG tag might say "this section of
the document is embargoed" but that would make the dc:creator wrong
... IPTC would lean toward this sort of use case; add metadata to the
document head as the document gets longer
Steven: section 5, the use of "inner" is too technical
Ben: any opposition to changing UC 2 to refer to the image source?
[no objections]
Michael: it would be nice to illustrate the output of some of the RDFa extractors, e.g. Elias' work
ACTION: ben to update uc2, image src, uc4, no innerHTML, add link to GetN3 bookmarklet [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action15]
[Ralph departs for another meeting]
Discussion on structured blogging
Mark: The blog is the medium
Ben: Stop using blog (except in UC#1)
... use publishing scientific research instead
next week
none
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to update uc2, image
src, uc4, no innerHTML, add link to GetN3 bookmarklet [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action15]
[NEW] ACTION: Michael continue work on the
FAQ template that Elias started [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Michael transfer issue data
to SWD tracker [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/08-htmltf-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben add a forwarding
pointer to http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-current-issues
when the new wiki issues list page is created [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science
Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Elias to send email to
list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce RDFa XHTML
1.1 module and spec [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mark produce more
examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action08]
[PENDING] ACTION: Mark write examples/tests
of striping support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action07]
[PENDING] ACTION: Steven to put together
sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc.. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action09]
[DONE] ACTION: Ben add chem-bla-ics use
case to a science use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action17]
[DONE] ACTION: Michael move the issues list
to the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action03]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Ben look at Semantic
Media Wiki use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action15]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Elias start an FAQ
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
[DROPPED] ACTION: Michael review Mobile
Device use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/18-htmltf-minutes.html#action16]
[End of minutes]