See also: IRC log, previous 2006-11-07
RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 7 Nov telecon: http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html
ACTION: [DONE] Ralph consider a tutorial on scribe conventions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
<RalphS> Notes on scribing
RalphS: this on on the table of "nearby" links on the WG home page
Guus: this time is convenient for many people
including chairs
... despite ovelap with RIF
... so proposes to stay with this time
ACTION: [DONE] Tom to discuss telecon time with Guus [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action08]
<RalphS> example SKOS use case
<aliman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Nov/0019.html email suggesting format for skos use cases
ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179 compatibility issue evolves [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07] [CONTINUES]
Guus: asked about progress on http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action10
Alistair: waiting for concensus on use case format
Guus: taken action on http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action09
... waiting for message to appear on mailing list
Jon: questions on Guus' example use cases
Guus: these examples cannot be directly used
for SKOS, different use but similar
... also look at GoF Patterns book
... asked about action on http://www.w3.org/2006/11/07-swd-minutes.html#action07
Antione: looking for more insight on use case format and how to divide workload
<RalphS> W3C Tech Report editor's materials
Guus: talking to Chris Welty at ISWC about use
of Wiki
... doesn't require document editors to have CVS access
... Chris has good experience with it
... suggest as a way of capturing documentation for the WG
RalphS: Wiki might encourage more
contributions
... to find out more information about state of Wiki scripts
... concen about ease of editing wiki pages
... expressed from Tom
... but could use Wiki to collect notes
Jon: which wiki?
<aliman> it's moin moin
<aliman> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/ RIF wiki
Guus: on the RIF WG home page
<TomB> 1+ Good experience with moinmoin
Guus: suggest we consider it. but try it out first
ACTION: Ralph to find out more about the RIF Wiki tools [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action04]
Guus: looking for tools to make collaboration for the group easier
<RalphS:> I personally find it very awkward to edit Wiki page
<JonP> +1 to using a wiki for document production if scripts exist to convert to doc format
Guus: look at use cases
... and a format to describe them
... referrring to Alistair's posting
... requests clarification of use of Alistair's term "fucntionality"
Alistair: functionality, for example, is search and browse (a description of how people can search and browse)
Guus: on vocabularies, expect examples for expressiveness
Alistair: expect to describe vocabulary, including their structural characteristics and provide concrrete examples to illustrate all features mentioned
Guus: I would be more explicit (e.g. broader,
narrower, related)
... and anything outside ISO format should be specified
RalphS: do we assume we should subsume ISO standards?
<aliman> iso 2788 and iso 5964
RalphS: is this a requirement?
<Guus> [i have to leave]
RalphS: if it is a requirements then we should
state this as a requirement
... needs discussion on ISO format assumption
TomB: we're not going to be able to resolve
this on this call
... propose an addition to requirements template from Alistair
RalphS: suggest editors put forward a list of requriemetns that are proposed and accepted
TomB: so, simply, they have an action to start getting requiremetns from the email list?
RalphS: sugest Jon & Antione to keep this list
Alistair: I think Guus said I should have
another crack at the format
... but we may be able to be more precise and more specific
... Guus seems to want us to talk about ISO formats
RalphS: is the decision about accepting ISO as
base requirements necessary before Alistair re-does the format
... but these are really separate, So these need to be discussed
separately.
Alistair: I heard Guus say we should use the
ISO format as a way of laying out use cases
... but I tried to be as neutral as possible
... and not tied to any classification schemata
... and presented in a human readable form
RalphS: I strongly endorse that
TomB: I also thought Guus was suggesting that
use case describe more about the vocabulary
... suggest we discuss for one more week, then come to a decision next
week
RalphS: everyone encouraged to provide feedback to Alistair
Alistair: does everyone understand what I've written?
RalphS: we need clarification of ISO format
Bernard: my understanding of Guus' point was that we use the GangOfFour patterns and only describe use cases that go beyond those narrower, broader, related-to
<TomB> +1 on Bernard's understanding
Alistair: doesn't believe we should take ISO as a starting point
Alistair: taking 2788 as a style would lead to other things that are beyond our scope
Alistair: there's an awful lot of flexibility in ISO, not sufficiently well-defined
ACTION: all to respond to Alistair's proposal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-swd-minutes.html#action05]
Bernard: do the existing Working Drafts need
some careful review by the WG?
... I suggest that everyone send comments on the existing drafts in mail
Alistair: we could use the issues list to track
these comments
... I have been maintaining a public SKOS issues list; I use this to track
comments
<TomB> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Nov/0019.html
<TomB> http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core/proposals
RalphS: important that this WG pays attention
to these issues
... if Alistair can continue to track the issues
<Zakim> Bern, you wanted to ask about initial documents
Alistair: been putting more energy into looking into requiremetns
TomB: like to propose an action on Alistair to continue maintaining that list
RalphS: priority is to capture use cases
Alistair: important to make a connection from issues to requirements
<RalphS> Ralph: we can't close issues without knowing what our use cases are
Alistair: and make requirements explicit
... and I will continue to maintain that list of issues
ACTION: Daniel to send mail describing his use cases for SKOS draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179 compatibility issue evolves [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html#action07] [CONTINUES]
TomB: no one on call to discuss
RalphS: no time to participate
TomB: no one to participate
Ralph: I will have to miss the Nov 28 and Dec 5 telecons due to W3C meetings; will be back in the office on December 11
Alistair: also no time. However, there's a discussion on the semantic-web@w3.org thread
JonP: useful discussion on the thread
Alistair: a lot of the discussion seems to be
igoring the recipes
... so perhaps our work is not widely known
... need to get more input and involvement
<RalphS> Hash URIs and content negotiation (start of thread)
Alistair: so have requested comments
<RalphS> Hash URIs and content negotiation thread
TomB: no editor currently
... close meeting for today
[adjourned]
$Log: 14-swd-minutes.html,v $ Revision 1.7 2006/11/21 15:58:24 swick Carlos Iglesias was not really present; he shares a telephone with Diego and Zakim was confused.