Databinding WG Teleconference
2 May 2006


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Jon_Calladine, George_Cowe, Yves, Paul_Downey, Ajith, Otu
Jonc, pauld




<trackbot> Date: 02 May 2006

<Ajith> is that ok - I just muted the mike

<Ajith> I'm in the office - today is a release day so a bit noisy :)

<Yves> http://www.w3.org/2002/01/UsingZakim

<Yves> 61# to mute 60# to unmute

<JonC> scribe JonC

<pauld> scribe: Jonc

Minutes 18/04/06 approved

<scribe> scribe: JonC

WG is lagging behind schedule

pauld will be re-issuing document soon

Ajith: have been looking at Issue 12 again this week

Discussion of use of schematron for validation tool

pauld: ideal to have single schemtron schema that identifies patterns

Ajith to develop this over next week

pauld: ideal to have access to the tool from a web page

<Ajith> I've muted from myend

pauld: ISSUE-35 and 12 closely related


<pauld> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2006Apr/0017.html

<Ajith> is it breaking up ?

<pauld> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/databinding/issues/33

pauld: this was actually closed last week...


<pauld> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2006Apr/0048

gcowe: ran tests against 3 tools. All treated element list as unbounded rather than a finite maxOccurs for validation

pauld: this means that tools will most likely handle such a pattern
... suggest pattern can be included in basic document.

JonC: need 'design considerations' text to explain that validation may not be as expected

... ISSUE-32 CLOSED as per paulds proposal with design consideration to reflect validation issue



gcowe: we use schema with request and response documents sharing the same namespace but with seperate definitions for a shared element

pauld: as paul biron indicated it is valid to have element defintions split across multiple schema

pauld but combining these in a schema processor will cause problems

pauld: schema component designator specification/technical note written to assist developers of processors, this may help understand why problems occur

<pauld> suggest the SCD spec may help here:

<pauld> http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-ref/

<pauld> ACTION: pdowney to take ISSUE-32 to the WS-I Basic Profile WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/02-databinding-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - Take ISSUE-32 to the WS-I Basic Profile WG [on Paul Downey - due 2006-05-09].

ISSUE-36 selection of tools for testing

<inserted> Scribe: pauld

this issue goes above and beyond ISSUE-4 - collection of known databinding tools

jonc: within BT we have a set of tools important to us - I added to that subset a list of leading tools we see others using
... we need to ensure we're covering a good number of languages and environments

george: interested to see list of tools linked into validation report

pauld: CR could help us here - I worry that we do all the work for all the different tools rather than getting individual vendors to buy into our framework

jonc: we need this indicative evidence when writing the spec

pauld: babbles .. what would be the cirteria for NOT including a tool in this list?

jonc: wants a representitive list, 6 Java tools wouldn't be very useful
... enumerating some kits may flush out others, but with people we have, 6 or so is all we're going to achieve
... a leading commercial and Open Source tools

pauld: suggest building a list of all known tools, but use the report to reflect
... tools we're
... using

thanks for scribing, jon!

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: pdowney to take ISSUE-32 to the WS-I Basic Profile WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/05/02-databinding-minutes.html#action01]
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