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13:48:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Databinding WG Teleconference
13:48:36 <trackbot> Date: 02 May 2006
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13:58:20 <pauld> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2006Apr/0050.html
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13:59:01 <Zakim> +Jon_Calladine
14:00:06 <pauld> zakim, code?
14:00:06 <Zakim> the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), pauld
14:00:11 <Zakim> +MarkS
14:00:14 <Zakim> -MarkS
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14:00:37 <pauld> zakim, MarkS is really George_Cowe
14:00:37 <Zakim> +George_Cowe; got it
14:00:56 <Zakim> +Yves
14:01:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:01:45 <Zakim> +Paul_Downey
14:02:14 <pauld> zakim, IPcaller is Ajith
14:02:14 <Zakim> +Ajith; got it
14:02:27 <pauld> zakim, who is here?
14:02:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jon_Calladine, George_Cowe, Yves, Ajith, Paul_Downey
14:02:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ajith, JonC, RRSAgent, Zakim, pauld, trackbot, Yves
14:02:30 <Ajith> is that ok - I just muted the mike
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14:03:06 <Ajith> I'm in the office - today is a release day so a bit noisy :)
14:03:10 <Zakim> +??P25
14:04:24 <pauld> zakim, P25 is Otu
14:04:25 <Yves> http://www.w3.org/2002/01/UsingZakim
14:04:28 <Zakim> sorry, pauld, I do not recognize a party named 'P25'
14:04:33 <pauld> zakim, ??P25 is Otu
14:04:34 <Zakim> +Otu; got it
14:04:41 <pauld> zakim, mute otu
14:04:41 <Zakim> Otu should now be muted
14:04:44 <Yves> 61# to mute 60# to unmute
14:05:50 <JonC> scribe JonC
14:06:20 <pauld> scribe: Jonc
14:06:38 <JonC> Minutes 18/04/06 approved
14:06:51 <JonC> scribe: JonC
14:07:43 <JonC> WG is lagging behind schedule
14:08:33 <JonC> pauld will be re-issuing document soon
14:15:07 <JonC> Ajith: have been looking at Issue 12 again this week
14:15:22 <JonC> Discussion of use of schematron for validation tool
14:17:25 <JonC> pauld: ideal to have single schemtron schema that identifies patterns
14:17:45 <JonC> Ajith to develop this over next week
14:19:26 <JonC> pauld: ideal to have access to the tool from a web page
14:21:07 <Ajith> I've muted from myend 
14:21:07 <JonC> pauld: ISSUE-35 and 12 closely related
14:21:19 <pauld> Topic: ISSUE-33
14:21:21 <pauld> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2006Apr/0017.html
14:22:24 <Ajith> is it breaking up ?
14:23:43 <pauld> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/databinding/issues/33
14:24:19 <JonC> pauld: this was actually closed last week...
14:24:58 <JonC> Topic: ISSUE-32
14:26:27 <pauld> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2006Apr/0048
14:26:45 <JonC> gcowe: ran tests against 3 tools. All treated element list as unbounded rather than a finite maxOccurs for validation
14:27:27 <JonC> pauld: this means that tools will most likely handle such a pattern
14:28:17 <JonC> pauld:suggest pattern can be included in basic document.
14:29:10 <JonC> JonC: need 'design considerations' text to explain that validation may not be as expected
14:29:25 <JonC> RESOLUTION:ISSUE-32 CLOSED
14:30:11 <JonC> RESOLUTION:ISSUE-32 CLOSED as per paulds proposal with design consideration to reflect validation issue
14:31:26 <JonC> Topic: ISSUE-34
14:31:57 <JonC> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/issues/34/
14:32:54 <JonC> gcowe: we use schema with request and response documents sharing the same namespace but with seperate definitions for a shared element
14:35:02 <JonC> pauld: as paul biron indicated it is valid to have element defintions split across multiple schema
14:35:17 <JonC> pauld but combining these in a schema processor will cause problems
14:36:44 <Zakim> -Otu
14:36:48 <JonC> pauld: schema component designator specification/technical note written to assist developers of processors, this may help understand why problems occur
14:39:36 <pauld> suggest the SCD spec may help here:
14:39:38 <pauld> http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-ref/
14:42:32 <pauld> ACTION: pdowney to take ISSUE-32 to the WS-I Basic Profile WG
14:42:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - Take ISSUE-32 to the WS-I Basic Profile WG [on Paul Downey - due 2006-05-09].
14:44:07 <JonC> Topic:ISSUE-36 selection of tools for testing
14:45:29 <pauld> this issue goes above and beyond ISSUE-4 - collection of known databinding tools
14:46:10 <pauld> jonc: within BT we have a set of tools important to us - I added to that subset a list of leading tools we see others using
14:46:45 <pauld> .. we need to ensure we're covering a good number of languages and environments
14:47:14 <pauld> george: interested to see list of tools linked into validation report
14:49:38 <pauld> pauld: CR could help us here - I worry that we do all the work for all the different tools rather than getting individual vendors to buy into our framework
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14:51:11 <pauld> jonc: we need this indicative evidence when writing the spec
14:51:33 <pauld> pauld: babbles .. what would be the cirteria for NOT including a tool in this list?
14:51:56 <pauld> jonc: wants a representitive list, 6 Java tools wouldn't be very useful
14:52:33 <pauld> .. enumerating some kits may flush out others, but with people we have, 6 or so is all we're going to achieve
14:53:04 <pauld> .. a leading commercial and Open Source tools 
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15:00:07 <pauld> pauld: suggest building a list of all known tools, but use the report to reflect 
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15:00:14 <pauld> .. tools we're
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15:00:19 <pauld> .. using
15:01:35 <Zakim> -Yves
15:01:37 <Zakim> -George_Cowe
15:01:39 <Zakim> -Ajith
15:01:41 <Zakim> -Jon_Calladine
15:01:43 <Zakim> -Paul_Downey
15:01:45 <Zakim> WS_DBWG()10:00AM has ended
15:01:47 <Zakim> Attendees were Jon_Calladine, George_Cowe, Yves, Paul_Downey, Ajith, Otu
15:01:51 <pauld> thanks for scribing, jon!
15:02:02 <pauld> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:02:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/02-databinding-minutes.html pauld
15:02:17 <pauld> rrsagent, make logs member
15:04:43 <pauld> rrsagent, make logs member-visible
15:05:28 <pauld> rrsagent, make logs public
15:15:38 <pauld> i/this issue goes above and beyond ISSUE-4/Scribe: pauld/
15:15:49 <pauld> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:15:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/05/02-databinding-minutes.html pauld
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16:22:31 <pauld> zakim, bye
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