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<emma> Previous: 2011-06-23 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html
RESOLUTION: Accept minutes of previous telecon http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html
emma:Reminder. Conference calls every other week during the summer.
emma:We have the blog up and running
... some technical issues with the digres.it plugin. Blank pages when trying to access the blog.
... it seems to be okay when you refresh the page a few times. Waiting for the UKOLN colleagues to try to resolve the problem.
<kcoyle> yes, i got in just now w/o problems
monica:No further updates at this time.
<jodi> thanks for hosting the blog, and for following up on it! :)
<jodi> thanks! :)
monica:Regarding whether to keep the blog. UKOLN is an organization committed to keeping links active, so in spirit the organization will treat the blog like any other resource that they don't want to see disappear.
<pmurray> We can also look into turning the blog into static HTML pages.
antoine:We already have comments, and they seem focused on one heading or one paragraph, so the digres.it plugin is useful for capturing this.
<jodi> it's nice to have paragraph-level comments
<jodi> it's useful to start the discussion!
kcoyle:Making comments to start the discussion so the blog doesn't look like an intimidating place.
<monica> agree - karen opening discussion will help to seed it
ww:Turning it into static HTML pages is a good idea so one doesn't need the complicated machinery behind it.
emma:Reminder to send the call for public comments out to lists and mark it on the Dissemination_Lists wiki pages.
<antoine> @ww: you've sent the call on openbiblio, I think?
<ww> antoine: yes
<antoine> @ww: ok! I'll mark it on the wiki
<scribe> ACTION:Monica to send email to ask for more volunteers otherwise we will continue on our own [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html#action02] [DONE] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jun/0080.html
<scribe> ACTION:Jeff to keep track of further comments between June 24 and June 30 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html#action08] [DONE]
<marcia> I sent to three I signed up.
<antoine> @marcia: thx! wiki is updated
<jodi> no, I'm not
emma/monica: When someone posts to the list for the first time, they must be approved.
monica:subsequent comments from that individual do not go into the moderation queue.
<marcia> @antoine: I wonder if we are supposed to not touch the deliverable version in order to get the comments.
<ww> antoine: which wiki page? i've circulated it elsewhere as well
<antoine> everything is alright, just trying to keep track of where the call was sent
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine to keep track and answer comments until today [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]
<scribe> ACTION:Monica to keep track of comments between July 1 and July 8 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/23-lld-minutes.html#action03] [CONTINUES]
<antoine> good idea to share that, jeff!
<kcoyle> i can do that
<jeff__> I can take the week after again
<scribe> ACTION:Karen Coyle to keep track of comments on the mailing list between July 8 and July 15 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION:Jeff to keep track of comments on the mailing list between July 15 and July 22 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action05]
emma:Comments on the reviews that we have received so far?
<jodi> it might be good to have fresh energy on that, along with the original folks...
<Zakim> antoine, you wanted to comment on reacting
<ww> tangent: anyone from #lld at okcon?
antoine:It would be good to discuss comments during a telecon so we don't lose momentum.
jeff:Tried to integrate the comments that didn't require too much restructuring.
... reluctant to do restructuring without help from others.
antoine:Agree with jeff that we should be conservative. Any comment that can be addressed by changing one word or sentence should be made.
emma:Maybe the easiest way to go is to ask authors of each section to keep an eye for comments on their section and for controversial topics ask the chair to schedule it for a conference call.
<scribe> ACTION:Editors of each section should watch for substantial comments to their section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-lld-minutes.html#action06]
<kcoyle> +1 for magic, or things indistinguishable from...
emma:On the next call, ask the authors of each section to report on substantive comments
<monica> to include comments on blog as well?
emma:There has been some activity in the W3C on this.
... They have created a discussion list and web page on which we can see the different community groups. They are testing it with a few incubator groups that are transitioning to community groups.
... They are using a web page with a wordpress blog and several discussion lists.
... We have stated our desire to transition to a community group at the end of our charter.
... We need to discuss this in July to decide whether we want to make that transition or to go another way.
<ww> +1 to cg transition, :)
<jodi> yeah kcoyle & charper! :)
kcoyle:As of last week, the American Library Association has an official library linked data group.
... Would be interest to see how we can combine groups and connect groups.
<antoine> karen, can you say more on the ALA group? missions, activities
kcoyle:Need to see how we make this a broad communication.
... It is a LLD interest group that is affiliated with the technical services (ALCTS, e.g. cataloging) division and the information technology group (LITA).
kcoyle:this group could promote training.
... the group came up with a couple of tasks during the meeting: gathering use cases in the community, developing training and how to get information out to the rest of the library community, and a couple of other things. (Karen to follow up when she gets access to the wiki)
ww:Sounds nice, but to what extent will it be seen as an american thing. the global scope is one of the nice things about the w3c.
kcoyle:it is a way to pull other interested U.S. parties into the discussion. Hopes other groups would form elsewhere so there is a local venue to meet.
emma:So the W3C group could be across the various local/national groups?
kcoyle:Yes, because local is where people are connecting face-to-face, so connecting to a international forum would be a good thing.
antoine:It also allows the international group to hear what is happening elsewhere.
... it could be that the IPR stuff and other things may raise issues when we include things from other groups.
ww:This also came up with the BibTeX in JSON group. There are some that are not convinced about RDF. Is it appropriate to bring that kind of work into the LLD fold if we were to become a community group?
<antoine> (other than Karen's group ;-) )
kcoyle:More than a dozen meetings about linked data, while in the past there had been none.
... there was quite a bit of talk of because RDA coming along and because Library of Congress looking for a replacement for MARC, there was a lot of discussion about what the next data standard would be.
<jodi> that's amazing!
kcoyle:it was an entirely different viewpoint from six months ago.
pmurray:I agree. I saw the same thing
kcoyle:It was mainly talking about what was happening in the future. There was a great acceptance that there was going to be a major change.
... kcoyle's hope that it will give a kind of "official blessing" on this change coming from a well-respected organization and that it will become a leverage point for people to get funding for projects.
kcoyle:also talked with vendors and will be sending the call for review to some of the companies to make sure we get their comments.
<ww> thanks! bye
<marcia> Nice to participate 'on line'. Thanks