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<emma> Previous minutes: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/14-lld-minutes.html
Proposed: To accept minutes of previous telecon:
RESOLUTION: Accept minutes of previous telecon
emma: Two meetings. one joint
with DCMI and one separate
...Minutes for Friday are in the draft stages.
TomB: Meeting about application
... review of the DCAM and questions about what should be done with the DCAM
... options: deprecated or continued
... discussion was not definitive
TomB: had a presentation by Jeff
Young using OWL
... presentation by Marcia and Gordon using application profiles
... big issues as to whether it is useful to have a formal model of application profiles
... TomB hopes to continue the discussion on the public mailing list
<TomB> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2010Oct/0098.html - Mikael Nilsson
<markva> michael panzer showed software to do checking using OWL: http://clarkparsia.com/pellet/icv/
TomB: Jon Phipps is going to respond to
... need to tease out the advantages and disadvantages of documenting versus validating style
... whether such a model needs to be grounded in RDF as opposed to being neutral with respect to RDF ...TomB is going to read back through the minutes and try to keep the discussion going
... wants to summarize this discussion in our final deliverable
antoine: Started with the use
case discussion and presentation of the use cases by all of the
people who volunteered to champion them
... discussed vocabularies with the starting point of going through the use cases to see what vocabularies were used
... this work can be found in the minutes of the meeting
... Ed and Paul have been trying to keep track of vocabulary usage
<edsu> here's paul's app http://github.com/paulwalk/lldvis
antoine: Paul's app harvests
information from the wiki to see usage of vocabularies
... this could be a good way to make the vocabularies visible to a wider audience
... also discussed the format and content of the final report
... some outreach activities identified as well.
... for deliverbles, an inventory of library linked data that is available. This is a bit of a moving target, but it would be useful to provide a snapshot
... also identify actors in the community that are harvesting data
<Asaf> +1 for using CKAN
antoine: use CKAN to identify the data sets
ww: Reinforces suggestion to use CKAM
antoine: Asks ww to lead a discussion at a future session on CKAN
ACTION: ww to present on how to use CKAN [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-lld-minutes.html#action01]
antoine: continuing with
discussion on the YouTube video. Stay tuned for further
... sunday morning discussion on the topics
... trying to get an idea of what is at stake with the topics
... outcome is a categorization of the topics
... need to find use cases that ground each topic
... talked about requirements for producing and consuming library linked data
... making requirements and suggesting solutions may be out of scope of this group.
... may just identify issues
... next talked about pieces of the deliverable
... what needs to be documented in more depth for our reports
emma: there is a page on the wiki with photographs of the meeting
emma: what came out of the discussions of the face-to-face
emma: Use cases grouped into use
... during the face-to-face meeting.
... created six clusters that came out of the meeting to start the work.
... the intent is to have a small group of curators work on each cluster to make something consistent out of it: scenarios, etc.
<antoine> Slides for case presentation (partial, not everyone had slides which was perfectly ok ;-) ) -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh_UCslides
emma: idea of the clusters is
that it is easier to extract the scenario from the cluster
rather than from each use case
... analyze the main topic of each use case and to cluster them
... minutes have the beginning of groups for each use case cluster, starting with two identified curators
... others that were not at the f-to-f meeting should join one or more clusters
markva: volunteered for the citations
<emma> digital objects
<jodi> I can join the digital objects cluster
markva: it is handy to have someone else (Mark is going away for two weeks)
<Asaf> Being a curator of digital texts, I may well join. :)
emma: authority and bibliographic clusters are big and will need other voluneers
<antoine> oops mark's cluster is indeed not citations but dig. objects. the agenda was incomplete
ACTION: emma, kcoyle, GordonD, Marcia, bvatant to structure the discussion of use cases in light of the topic list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/23-lld-minutes.html#action01] [DONE]
ACTION: People who were not at the face-to-face meeting volunteer to join a cluster [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-lld-minutes.html#action03]
emma: We still have seven use
cases that are not in the clusters.
... we will also need shepherds for these use cases.
ACTION: Use-case owner(s) to check table and matches [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]
ACTION: Topic owners to check table and think about supplying additional use-cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]
ACTION: People who didn't attend the face-to-face should volunteer to shepherd a new use case. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-lld-minutes.html#action06]
ACTION: Karen and Emma to curate archive cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Kai and Ed to curate citations cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action03] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Mark and Jodi to curate digital objects cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Gordon and Martin to curate bibliographic data cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action05] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Jeff and Alexander to curate authority data cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Antoine and Michael to curate vocabulary alignment cluster for end of december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action07] [CONTINUES]
emma: Created a wiki page for listing vocabularies
antoine: The action is really
meant to fuel the reporting application
... if the action is carried out, we can make a public display
ACTION: for each use case champion: on the Vocabularies page, link to each URL use case that uses it [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/23-lld-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
emma: Have started a page for the
initial listing of requirements
... this page is a placeholder for requirements extracted from the use case cluster
ACTION: Karen to add short names to the topics page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html#action09] [DONE]
ACTION: Tom to re-categorize AGRIS under Bibliographic Data. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action02] [DONE]
emma: Suggestions recorded in the agenda for the topics
jodi: Taking inspiration from wikipedia, use tags on a wiki page to create categories in the wiki
jodi: did this for a couple of
the use cases in the bibliographic cluster
... can be used to make a note of the vocabularies
<jodi> finally, there's a little info about MediaWiki software's use of categories: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category
<TomB> Under http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/TopicsDiscussed#LLD.AUTHORITIES, click on http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Category:LLD.AUTHORITIES, which links to http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Use_Case_AGROVOC_Thesaurus
markva: Jodi: the idea is to create a category for each cluster?
<Asaf> for each topic!
jodi: Yes and for other factors that we want to take into consideration
markva: Would we need a separate page for each kind of category?
jodi: More information can be put into the category page
<Asaf> On one hand, they are automatically populated, but on the other, you can add introductor text/links at the top.
<jodi> exactly, thanks Asaf. :)
emma: Also for each topic
<Asaf> (and many such links already exist, from [[TopicsDiscussed]]
TomB: This approach would also
use the category pages.
... the idea is that each topic on the topic page would have its own URI because each topic discussed would be a section heading and section headings are clickable from the table of contents
<Asaf> quick sample: -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Category:LLD.PERSON-METADATA
<Asaf> i.e. categories are nestable
jodi: Categories can be categorized in the same was as other wiki pages
<jodi> (there are subcategories in the wiki libraries category, for instance)
<jeff_> This discussion of wiki categories sounds a lot like SKOS
<jodi> jeff_: indeed!
jodi: envisoions that part of curating each cluster is adding it to a category
<markva> jodi suggests that cluster editors do categories
<markva> which is what I wanted to say :)
TomB: The job of adding categories should be the use case shepherd
<jodi> edsu: interesting point!
<edsu> TomB: my advice would be to stay focused on the report then, perhaps putting together the report structure to be filled in
<markva> I'd say it's about curating and homogenizing the texts
<jodi> we may not know the parts, but we know that we'll talk about requirements, use cases, ...
<jodi> more of a skeleton than a table of contents
ACTION: GordonD and antoine to study use cases that relate to vocabulary merging use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Jeff to review the UK eGovernment document on identifiers. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action03] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Alex, Jeff, Martin, MichaelP elaborate on general purpose IT architecture for dealing with linked data with caching feature [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Emma and Antoine to create use case DATA.SEARCH-OPTIMIZATION [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: on everyone to update the Events page (http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/LLD/Events) on the wiki regularly [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action05] [CONTINUES]
<jodi> thanks! bye all!
<Asaf> Cheers, everyone.
<ww> thank you everyone!
ACTION: Ross to create a page with LLD data sets on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html#action11] [CONTINUES]