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<kendall> I think I'm scribing today.
well, I consider it a good thing, kendall :)
<kendall> I suck at it, but okay.
<kendall> Anyone notice that a CS prof, Jon Kleinberg, got a MacArthur ("genius") grant? He apparently does algorithm design but also WWW research.
<kendall> s/halo/mandela/ :)
<kendall> Attending: Souri, EricP, me, Pat, Andy, Lee, Dan, Elias
<kendall> Minutes approve
<DaveB> (Regrets for me 4Oct)
<kendall> I'm at risk for 4 Oct.
EricP is at risk 4 Oct
bijan, are you and enrico still planning to be here 4 Oct?
<bijan> I am
<bijan> I can't speak for enrico but he's not told me not
ok. you don't care to scribe, do you? 1/2 ;-)
<kendall> I'm leaving for .MX on the 5th, so there's a good chance I'll have to miss telcon.
<bijan> I don't care to scribe :)
scribe for 4 Oct: LeeF
<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] AndyS to add the above graph test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] SteveH to review the relevant test case re: IRI normalization [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action02]
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to follow up re optional test based on op:dateTime triple [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: DaveB to to propose source test to approve [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: ericp to draft lang-match design, summarizing and citing RFC3066 [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action05]
-> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-rdf-sparql-protocol-20050914/ protocol lcwd
<ericP> Content-Type: application/wsdl+xml
and I get 404 @ http://www.w3.org/2005/08/sparql-protocol-query/ [which means it shouldn't have been published]
<scribe> ACTION: EricP to arrange for 200 response from http://www.w3.org/2005/08/sparql-protocol-query/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action06]
sparql-protocol-types.xsd,v 1.1 2005/09/14 15:04:07 eric Exp
KC: yes, sparql-protocol-types.xsd,v 1.1 2005/09/14 15:04:07 is happy enough
<kendall> some confusion caused by .../2005/08/... and .../2005/09/... URIs
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Sep/0077.html David Wood: SPARQL Protocol Review and Comments
<LeeF> Kendall, isn't this the latest version actually:
<LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/sparql-protocol-types.xsd ? ( 2005/09/21 )
LeeF, is that interestingly different from sparql-protocol-types.xsd,v 1.1 2005/09/14 15:04:07 ?
i.e. other than CVS keywords?
<LeeF> It removes a stray "/>"
<LeeF> And adds an import of the result format XSD
<EliasT> Lee, there's an xs:import on that one..
<LeeF> On which one?
<EliasT> sorry... I saw this one: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/sparql-protocol-types.xsd
<LeeF> Right - that's the 9/21 latest one AFAIK
<LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2005/09/sparql-protocol-types/# is older
<AndyS> Won't I have to change code for the SOAP binding (not a block as not widely deployed)?
KC: David Wood's comments were substantial... as he's affiliated with UMD, I've had some offline discussion and I think he'll be satisfied with some minor editorial changes.
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JulSep/0505.html Update and issues: ACTION: LeeF to draft WSDL 1.1 for SPARQL thingy with AndyS and Elias
<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] LeeF to draft WSDL 1.1 for SPARQL thingy with AndyS and Elias [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action07]
discussion of protocol types... seq/all... the all construct we used seems to be invalid
<AndyS> Children of query-request : parent of default-graph-uri
PROPOSED: to change revert query-request from xs:all back to xs:seq
<AndyS> Schema issue: wants any number, any order of items
PROPOSED: to revert query-request from xs:all back to xs:seq
<DaveB> (just the first xs:all)
PROPOSED: to revert query-request from xs:all back to xs:seq, noting with regret this is due to limiations of XML Schema
<scribe> ACTION: KC to revert query-request from xs:all back to xs:seq and note this is due to limiations of XML Schema [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action08]
<DaveB> here's as far as I got in 2001 - http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/2001/09/rdf-xml-schema/
discussion of how to describe RDF/XML from WSDL ... whether to use XSD with any and a comment/annotation, or relax-ng per RDF/XML spec, or both
(a) from sparql-protocol types, reference an .xsd that gives a "stub" definition of rdf:RDF
<kendall> LeeF: 1. Change the normative XSD to reference a basic RDF schema
<kendall> LeeF: 2. Fork the XSD to have a copy for the WSDL 1.1
2. ... and keep the existing XSD description of rdf:RDF
3. Fork the XSD to have a stub XSD declaration of rdf:RDF for the WSDL 1.1, and a relax-ng description for normative WSDL 2.0
3. Fork the XSD. One copy has a stub XSD declaration of rdf:RDF for the WSDL 1.1. The other has a relax-ng description for normative WSDL 2.0
considered both stub XSD and relax-ng descriptions of rdf:RDF, but it doesn't seem to be technically possible.
Elias: I don't see much concrete benefit to using the relanx-ng description of rdf:RDF in this context
<LeeF> That was Elias
<kendall> PROPOSED: To add a new schema doc, rdf.xsd, which sparql protocol types document imports.
(the "stub" should say 'any', plus have a link to the RDF/XML scpec)
<kendall> It clearly sucks. :>
<LeeF> It's a choice between sucking but allowing tools to work easily, and not sucking but not allowing tools to work without jumping through hoops.
so RESOLVED. Hayes abstaining
<kendall> 0 objections, PatH abstaining
<DaveB> see rdf.xsd in http://thefigtrees.net/DAWG/sparql-wsdl-1.1-note.html
<scribe> ACTION: KC to review sparql-types for xs:any weirdness [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action09]
ACTION 6 = KC: review sparql-types for xs:any weirdness, w.r.t. WSDL 2.0 constraints
<DaveB> <soap:operation style="document" soapAction="http://www.w3.org/2005/08/sparql-protocol-query/#query-action" />
KC's actions to send WSDL comments are DONE...
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to notifty DAWG of WSDL response to our WSDL comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action10]
<kendall> Is it feasible or sensible to add the WSDL 1.1 stuff as an appendix of our spec?
<kendall> KC: Wondering whether the normative spec should reference the WSDL 1.1 Note.
<kendall> Elias & Lee (?) seem to be okay with that
<scribe> ACTION: EliasT to elaborate on how to use this WSDL 1.1 stuff with tools [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action11]
<EliasT> that was Lee
ACTION 8 = Lee: elaborate on how to use this WSDL 1.1 stuff with tools
<scribe> ACTION: KC, EricP to review WSDL 1.1 sparql protocol publication candidate, once a candidate pointer is mailed to the WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action12]
<kendall> I want the right to say Elias is a big meanie! :>
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to help with SOTD of WSDL 1.1 sparql protocol [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action13]
<patH> kendall, I think its in the constitution.
ACTION 9 = DanC: publish WSDL 1.1 sparql protocol note, contingent on thumbs-up from KC, EricP, Lee/Elias
<kendall> pat: ah, yes. thankx.
-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/ 1.493 stuff on < and ORDER
<ericP> The "<" operator (see the Operator Mapping Table) defines the relative order of pairs of numerics, xs:dateTimes and xs:strings.
<ericP> If the ordering condition is a named variable, RDF Literals are compared with the "<" operator (see below) where
<scribe> ^ new and older, resp.
<ericP> 2005-09-27T11:30:39Z <ericP> i.e. if ?a has the bindings "b", "a", "c", we want to ORDER ?a and ORDER str(?a) to be the same
<DaveB> at http://www.w3.org/2005/09/20-dawg-irc
<scribe> DONE: ACTION Pat: summarize the entailment consensus
<scribe> ACTION: Bijon to take a pass through the editor's draft, listing what will change with the new semantics understanding, and what will not [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action14]
<scribe> ACTION: Enrico to take a pass through the editor's draft, listing what will change with the new semantics understanding ... [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action15]
everything under SyntaxDev, as discussed in 0470
ammendment: don't approve syntax-struct-04.rq
<scribe> ACTION: EricP to fix test schema to match manifest with negative tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action16]
<DaveB> there are two other duplicates: syntax-form-construct05.rq and syntax-form-ask-01.rq
<AndyS> nor syntax-form-construct06.rq, syntax-form-ask-02
PROPOSED: to approve SyntaxDev, as discussed in 0470, without dups
AFS: grammar is in yakker, not yet in rq23... also there's some BNODE renaming stuff...
<scribe> ACTION: AFS to propose resolution to punctuationSyntax, folding recent yakker grammar into editor's draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action17]
<LeeF> DanC, ericP or whomever else: EliasT has CVS check-in access under DataAccess, but if it's not a problem I could use it also to expedite getting the wsdl 1.1 stuff up there
<LeeF> If it's a problem, I'll just get Elias to do it for me :-)
do you have an ssh2 key?
ericp seems interested to help
<ericP> LeeF, mail me your pub key
<AndyS> Eric - 5 mins on another thing thing?
<ericP> or paste it
<ericP> AndyS, can do
<AndyS> Eric - 5 mins on another sorting thing?
<LeeF> let me find it, I use it rarely at most =)
<LeeF> ericP - will mail it to you a bit later - thanks
<scribe> Scribe: KC
<patH> hey, did anyone want to talk about something with me? Im back now.
I think ericp wanted to talk with you, patH, but he might have gotten what he needs from AndyS
<patH> OK, great. Bye then, back to work.
<DaveB> request on ExprBuiltins/result-str-2.ttl change "01 ;' to '01"^^xsd:integer'
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