IRC log of swbp on 2005-09-19

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16:54:00 [RalphS]: Meeting: SemWeb BPD
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16:54:20 [Zakim]: Attendees were
16:54:51 [RalphS]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0067.html
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16:55:05 [raphael_troncy]: hi all
16:55:17 [RalphS]: Previous: 2005-09-05 http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes
16:56:17 [Valentina]: hi all, this is Valentina Presutti
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16:57:14 [Zakim]: Attendees were [UMD]
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16:57:26 [Zakim]: +Ralph
16:57:31 [Zakim]: +[CWI]
16:58:00 [RalphS]: zakim, cwi is Raphael
16:58:00 [Zakim]: +Raphael; got it
16:58:50 [chalaschek]: Hi all, this is Christian Halaschek with UMD
16:58:54 [Zakim]: +[Bologna]
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16:59:23 [Zakim]: + +31.40.293.aaaa
16:59:24 [Zakim]: +[UMD]
16:59:24 [RalphS]: zakim, Bologna has Valentina
16:59:25 [Zakim]: +Valentina; got it
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16:59:39 [RalphS]: zakim, aaaa is Guus
16:59:39 [Zakim]: +Guus; got it
16:59:46 [RalphS]: zakim, umd is Chris_H
16:59:46 [Zakim]: +Chris_H; got it
17:00:21 [Zakim]: +Libby_Miller
17:00:38 [Zakim]: +David_Wood
17:00:42 [Zakim]: +??P7
17:00:43 [Zakim]: +Alistair_Miles (was ??P7)
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17:01:03 [RalphS]: Regrets: Fabien, Benjamin, Jeff, Deb
17:01:16 [RalphS]: Regrets+ TomB
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17:02:17 [Zakim]: +Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen
17:02:30 [Zakim]: +Evan_Wallace
17:02:36 [Zakim]: +??P10
17:02:37 [RalphS]: zakim, aabb is Brian
17:02:38 [Zakim]: +Brian; got it
17:02:59 [Zakim]: +DBooth
17:03:05 [Jacco]: zakim. mute Jacco
17:03:15 [Jacco]: zakim, mute Jacco
17:03:15 [Zakim]: Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted
17:03:21 [RalphS]: zakim, ??p10 is Holgar
17:03:21 [Zakim]: +Holgar; got it
17:03:43 [guus]: zakim, who is here?
17:03:43 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Raphael (muted), Ralph, [Bologna] (muted), Guus, Chris_H, Libby_Miller, David_Wood, Alistair_Miles, Brian, Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen (muted), Evan_Wallace, Holgar,
17:03:47 [Zakim]: ... DBooth
17:03:48 [Zakim]: [Bologna] has Valentina
17:03:49 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Jacco, guus, dwood, dbooth, libby, aliman, raphael_troncy, RRSAgent, Zakim, Valentina, chalaschek, RalphS
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17:04:39 [Zakim]: +[IBM]
17:04:46 [ChrisW]: zakim, [ibm] is temporarily me
17:04:46 [Zakim]: +ChrisW; got it
17:05:03 [RalphS]: zakim, nominate a scribe
17:05:03 [Zakim]: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Guus
17:05:06 [RalphS]: zakim, nominate a scribe
17:05:06 [Zakim]: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ralph
17:05:21 [Gary]: I am on IRC only today
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17:05:51 [RalphS]: zakim, nominate a scribe
17:05:51 [Zakim]: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose David_Wood (muted)
17:05:54 [RalphS]: zakim, nominate a scribe
17:05:54 [Zakim]: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [Bologna] (muted)
17:05:57 [Zakim]: +Phil_Tetlow
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17:06:09 [RalphS]: zakim, nominate a scribe
17:06:09 [Zakim]: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ChrisW
17:06:11 [RalphS]: zakim, nominate a scribe
17:06:11 [Zakim]: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose David_Wood (muted)
17:06:14 [RalphS]: zakim, nominate a scribe
17:06:14 [Zakim]: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Valentina
17:06:16 [RalphS]: zakim, nominate a scribe
17:06:16 [Zakim]: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DBooth
17:06:30 [RalphS]: zakim, nominate a scribe
17:06:30 [Zakim]: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DBooth
17:06:39 [RalphS]: zakim, nominate a scribe
17:06:39 [Zakim]: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [Bologna] (muted)
17:06:45 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
17:06:52 [Zakim]: + +1.425.917.aacc
17:06:54 [Jacco]: i would scribe but are without headset
17:07:00 [RalphS]: zakim, ipcaller is Jeremy
17:07:00 [Zakim]: +Jeremy; got it
17:07:06 [RalphS]: zakim, aacc is Mike_U
17:07:06 [Zakim]: +Mike_U; got it
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17:08:54 [Jacco]: zakim, umute Jacco
17:08:54 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'umute Jacco', Jacco
17:09:01 [Jacco]: zakim, unmute Jacco
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17:09:09 [Jeremy]: Zakim, mute me
17:09:09 [Zakim]: Jeremy should now be muted
17:09:29 [dwood]: zakim, unmute me
17:09:29 [Zakim]: sorry, dwood, I do not see a party named 'dwood'
17:09:30 [Jacco]: zakim, mute Jacco
17:09:31 [Zakim]: Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted
17:09:37 [Jeremy]: Zakim, unmute me
17:09:37 [Zakim]: Jeremy should no longer be muted
17:09:37 [dbooth]: Scribe: DBooth
17:09:44 [dwood]: zakim, who is here?
17:09:44 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Raphael (muted), Ralph, [Bologna] (muted), Guus, Chris_H, Libby_Miller, David_Wood (muted), Alistair_Miles (muted), Brian (muted), Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen
17:09:47 [Zakim]: ... (muted), Evan_Wallace, Holgar, DBooth, ChrisW, Phil_Tetlow, Jeremy, Mike_U
17:09:48 [Zakim]: [Bologna] has Valentina
17:09:49 [Zakim]: On IRC I see dwood, evan, Jeremy, bwm, Gary, ChrisW, Jacco, guus, dbooth, libby, aliman, raphael_troncy, RRSAgent, Zakim, Valentina, chalaschek, RalphS
17:09:51 [Jeremy]: Zakim, mute me
17:09:51 [Zakim]: Jeremy should now be muted
17:10:00 [dwood]: zakim, dwood is David_Wood
17:10:00 [Zakim]: sorry, dwood, I do not recognize a party named 'dwood'
17:10:07 [dbooth]: Chair: Guus Schreiber / David Wood
17:10:14 [dwood]: zakim, David_Wood is dwood
17:10:14 [Zakim]: +dwood; got it
17:10:21 [dwood]: zakim, unmute me
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17:10:42 [dbooth]: Topic: 1. ADMIN
17:11:02 [Zakim]: + +1.650.814.aadd
17:11:03 [dbooth]: RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the 5 September telecon:
17:11:03 [dbooth]: http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes
17:11:20 [bwm]: probable regrets from Brian for 03 Oct - will be on train
17:11:30 [Valentina]: I'm on the phone but I muted it because of noise in the office, sorry
17:11:32 [dwood]: zakim, mute me
17:11:32 [Zakim]: dwood should now be muted
17:11:37 [Zakim]: +Giorgos_Stamou
17:11:42 [dbooth]: RESOLVED: next meeting 3 October.
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17:12:24 [RalphS]: zakim, aadd is Deb
17:12:24 [Zakim]: +Deb; got it
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17:13:32 [RalphS]: ACTION: Ralph create a registration page for the November f2f
17:14:06 [dbooth]: F2F Preparation: Trying to find a sponsor for the dinner. Volunteers?
17:14:31 [dbooth]: Guus: Please book now!
17:15:12 [dbooth]: Topic: 2.1 Proposed resolution httpRange-14
17:15:29 [dwood]: zakim, unmute me
17:15:29 [Zakim]: dwood should no longer be muted
17:15:58 [dwood]: zakim, mute me
17:15:58 [Zakim]: dwood should now be muted
17:16:35 [dwood]: ralphs: +1 on more work re httpRange-14
17:16:41 [Jeremy]: Zakim, unmute me
17:16:41 [Zakim]: Jeremy should no longer be muted
17:16:51 [dbooth]: ACTION: Ralph, DavidW, and DavidB to an initial draft of TAG
17:16:51 [dbooth]: httpRange-14 resolution impact on semweb application developers [DONE]
17:17:07 [dbooth]: Topic: 2.2 XML Schema Last Call
17:17:16 [dbooth]: ACTION: jjc to review XML Schema last call [DONE]
17:18:25 [RalphS]: [I'm reviewing the context of JJC's action in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action02 ]
17:18:44 [Jeremy]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0104.html
17:18:56 [Jeremy]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-schema-comments/2005AprJun/0037.html
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17:19:36 [RalphS]: I'm happy considering this action DONE
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17:19:48 [RalphS]: zakim, ??p19 is Natasha
17:19:48 [Zakim]: +Natasha; got it
17:19:49 [dbooth]: Topic: 2.3 SPARQL Last Call
17:20:29 [Jeremy]: Zakim, mute me
17:20:29 [Zakim]: Jeremy should now be muted
17:20:34 [dbooth]: Guus: There were requests from DanC for review from the SWBPD WG. Volunteers?
17:21:03 [bwm]: I could take a pass at it - though note the editor sits close to me
17:21:04 [dwood]: I volunteeer - I've been reading it anyway
17:21:32 [dbooth]: Ralph: Had some discussion about onset and source. Chris and Deb offered input on them. Have they looked at current SPARQL work?
17:21:42 [RalphS]: s/onset/UNSAID/
17:22:01 [dbooth]: Chris: I looked at part, not all. There are a couple of IBM folks on the WG.
17:22:05 [dwood]: zakim, unmute me
17:22:05 [Zakim]: dwood should no longer be muted
17:22:05 [Jeremy]: q+ to mention IRIs
17:22:22 [Zakim]: -Deb
17:22:42 [dwood]: zakim, mute me
17:22:42 [Zakim]: dwood should now be muted
17:22:57 [dbooth]: ACTION: DavidWood and Brian to review SPARQL Last Call document
17:23:00 [Zakim]: Jeremy, you wanted to mention IRIs
17:23:01 [Jeremy]: Zakim, unmute me
17:23:03 [Zakim]: Jeremy was not muted, Jeremy
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17:23:40 [dbooth]: ACTION: Jeremy to brief the WG on use of IRIs in SPARQL
17:23:53 [Jeremy]: Zakim, mute me
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17:24:46 [RalphS]: 14 September 2005: SPARQL Protocol for RDF - Last Call Ends 14 October 2005
17:24:50 [dbooth]: Topic: 2.4 Protocol and Formats WG request
17:25:02 [Jeremy]: Zakim, unmute me
17:25:02 [Zakim]: Jeremy should no longer be muted
17:25:24 [dbooth]: Guus: There was a specific request for people to look at some problems they have.
17:25:50 [RalphS]: (SPARQL Query Results XML Format and SPARQL Query Language for RDF LC both ended 1 Sep)
17:26:09 [dbooth]: ACTION: jjc review EARL requirements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING]
17:26:59 [dbooth]: Guus: Volunteers? (No response)
17:27:28 [dbooth]: Ralph: Folks who have looked at porting taxonomies to the SemWeb might be able to help.
17:28:26 [dbooth]: Alistair: This is the first I've heard of it. I'll have to look first.
17:28:56 [dbooth]: Chris: I don't think we should be consultants to people who want to build vocabularies on the SemWeb.
17:28:59 [Zakim]: +Deb
17:29:33 [Jeremy]: Zakim, q+ to talk about SW and W3C
17:29:33 [Zakim]: I see Jeremy on the speaker queue
17:29:49 [Jeremy]: Zakim, unmute me
17:29:49 [Zakim]: Jeremy was not muted, Jeremy
17:29:51 [dbooth]: Ralph: We wouldn't want a floodgate of requests for help, but this is another W3C WG, so is very much in the spirit of our charter. I don't think the material in the existing OEP notes is relevant to them -- their work is much more advanced.
17:30:03 [aliman]: q+ to ask for clarification on PFWG
17:30:15 [ChrisW]: I also said - swbp had a lot of material in the form of notes that could help this group
17:30:41 [RalphS]: s/so is/is asking us to comment on their work-in-progress with respect to best practice, and so is/
17:30:49 [dbooth]: Jeremy: From external perspective, all W3C publications reflect what the W3C says, so if other groups say bad things it reflects badly on W3C as a whole. So even if we don't want to, we need to pay attention to what others say.
17:31:00 [RalphS]: s/their work/the OEP work/
17:31:07 [Jeremy]: Zakim, mute me
17:31:07 [Zakim]: Jeremy should now be muted
17:31:26 [RalphS]: Ralph: the EARL work may eventually need what OEP has written but they're not yet there
17:31:43 [dbooth]: Alistair: This WG is creating a taxonomy? (Yes) And they want advice on how to develop that? (Yes)
17:32:18 [dbooth]: ACTION: Alistair and Guus to help the WAI Protocol and Formats WG on their vocabulary
17:32:34 [dbooth]: Topic: 3. FTF preparation and future of WG
17:33:12 [dbooth]: Guus: Need to consider what work should continue, and in what form, after the end of this WG charter expires.
17:33:25 [dwood]: Please note that the SPARQL last call is for the *protocol* (http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/). This is not to be confused with the query language (although I think it was).
17:33:31 [dbooth]: ... I saw something from the OAP TF. Others?
17:33:36 [Jeremy]: (XSCH: I've not considered this yet)
17:33:39 [RalphS]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0071.html OEP agenda for f2f [Chris 2005-09-17]
17:33:58 [ChrisW]: re: sparql comment from dwood - I only looked at the query language, never the protocol
17:34:09 [ChrisW]: ...however, PatH has been involved (OEP member)
17:35:10 [dbooth]: Alistair: I hope by the time of the F2F we will have the revise WD of the SKOS core spec and the revised WD of the guide reflecting changes to date. Also proposals regarding SKOS Core and OWL. By end of charter, hope to have 3rd public WD (after review in OAP TF).
17:35:48 [dbooth]: Q: Should this be a break out session or part of full session?
17:36:03 [dbooth]: Guus: I prefer it to be in the primary session.
17:36:36 [dbooth]: Alistair: Fine. At the F2F I'd like to discuss a list of proposals/issues relating to the SKOS/OWL relationship.
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17:37:12 [raphael_troncy]: Zakin, unmute me
17:37:15 [Jacco]: zakim, unmute me
17:37:15 [Zakim]: Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should no longer be muted
17:37:25 [dbooth]: Guus: Multimedia TF?
17:37:55 [dbooth]: Giogios: Want to discuss the second deliverable for the TF, and the deliverable for the next year: the main budget for next year.
17:37:58 [raphael_troncy]: zakin, unmute me
17:38:06 [dbooth]: Guus: Goals for this F2F? Deliverables?
17:38:41 [dbooth]: Giogios: First deliverable will be finished; discuss the second.
17:39:05 [dbooth]: Guus: Decision on publishing the first deliverable at F2F? And date for 2nd deliverable?
17:39:12 [Zakim]: -Deb
17:39:21 [dbooth]: Giogios: Ok.
17:39:38 [dbooth]: Guus: All documents to be discussed need to be available 1 week before the F2F.
17:40:04 [RalphS]: s/Giogios/Giorgos/g
17:40:33 [dbooth]: Guus: RDFTM?
17:40:47 [Jacco]: zakim, mute Jacco
17:40:47 [Zakim]: Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted
17:41:18 [guus]: q?
17:41:22 [dbooth]: Valentina: We started again to work. Didn't discuss yet about F2F goals, but I'll post email to the list about goals and I'll be there at the F2F.
17:41:43 [dbooth]: s/work/work (Steve was ill)/
17:41:47 [Jeremy]: Zakim, unmute me
17:41:47 [Zakim]: Jeremy should no longer be muted
17:41:48 [aliman]: q-
17:41:54 [dbooth]: q?
17:41:58 [RalphS]: [good to have RDFTM presence here on the WG telecon; thanks, Valentina]
17:42:06 [Zakim]: Jeremy, you wanted to talk about SW and W3C
17:42:36 [dbooth]: q- jeremy
17:42:50 [Jeremy]: Zakim, mute me
17:42:50 [Zakim]: Jeremy should now be muted
17:42:52 [dbooth]: Guus: Wordnet TF?
17:43:45 [bwm]: Do we have a plan beyond the f2f?
17:43:58 [RalphS]: zakim, mute phil
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17:44:01 [Jeremy]: Zakim, unmute me
17:44:01 [Zakim]: Jeremy should no longer be muted
17:44:04 [aliman]: zakim, unmute alistair
17:44:04 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles was not muted, aliman
17:44:09 [aliman]: zakim, umute alistair
17:44:09 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'umute alistair', aliman
17:44:13 [aliman]: zakim, mute alistair
17:44:13 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles should now be muted
17:44:16 [dbooth]: Guus: Can bring data model RDF/OWL version to F2F. I'll post to the list.
17:45:37 [Jeremy]: Zakim, mute me
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17:45:43 [dbooth]: Jeremy: I'll consider this and email the list.
17:45:49 [aliman]: zakim, unmute alistair
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17:45:53 [RalphS]: [JJC was commenting re: XML Schema Datatypes]
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17:46:21 [dbooth]: Topic: 4.5 Vocabulary management
17:47:04 [dbooth]: Alistair: Suggest that Tom and I write up what we've done and submit that.
17:47:15 [aliman]: zakim, mute alistair
17:47:15 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles should now be muted
17:47:45 [dbooth]: s/Topic: 4.5/Guus:
17:48:07 [dbooth]: Guus: RDF-in-HTML?
17:48:25 [dbooth]: ... TF needs to make clear what they can realistically achieve in the short term, and how to close this work.
17:48:47 [Zakim]: -Brian
17:49:13 [dbooth]: Ralph: TF is in limbo. Haven't managed to have a telecon in quite a while. I continue to think we have a plan that is executable, and could propose to shift the burden back to the HTML WG, but I'm not optimistic about that being effective.
17:50:05 [dbooth]: ... This WG should continue to need to participate. Should not have a plan to close the TF until HTML2 is in Last Call that meets our needs. WE have outstanding issues with no recorded progress.
17:50:26 [dbooth]: Guus: What about producing a simple guideline note based on Jeremy's WWW conference talk?
17:50:37 [dbooth]: Ralph: That could help.
17:50:38 [Jeremy]: Jeremy moans ...
17:50:50 [Jeremy]: Zakim, unmute me
17:50:50 [Zakim]: Jeremy should no longer be muted
17:51:09 [raphael_troncy]: zakin, unmute raphael_troncy
17:51:15 [raphael_troncy]: zakin, unmute raphael
17:52:09 [dbooth]: Jeremy: That's nice feedback, but not nice to have another action. I'd be happy to be a supporting player.
17:52:34 [dbooth]: Ralph: Need to get our TF reconvening.
17:52:43 [Jeremy]: Zakim, mute me
17:52:43 [Zakim]: Jeremy should now be muted
17:52:45 [dbooth]: Guus: We have too many TFs in limbo. Need to clear that by the F2F.
17:52:55 [dbooth]: Guus: ADTF?
17:53:10 [dbooth]: Libby: Discussed about whether to transfer to IG. I'll follow up with email.
17:53:23 [Jacco]: jeremy, could steven pemberton write up your talk as a rdf-a note?
17:53:28 [dbooth]: Guus: Goals For F2F?
17:53:58 [dbooth]: Guus: Tutorial Page?
17:54:03 [Valentina]: I apologize, I have to leave the telecon.
17:54:14 [Valentina]: Goodbye to all :)
17:54:15 [dbooth]: ACTION: Guus to ping Benjamin and Jeff about the Tutorial Page
17:54:30 [dbooth]: Guus: SE TF?
17:55:00 [ChrisW]: "ODA" note
17:55:17 [dbooth]: Phil: Two definites: It would be good to decide about publication of ODA Note. Second: Transfer of this discussion into SWIG.
17:56:17 [dbooth]: Guus: By next telecon, DavidW and I will try to have a draft agenda for the F2F.
17:57:06 [dbooth]: ... Should also think about what should happen after Feb 1: Continue in IG? Elsewhere? Special WG of its own? Etc.
17:57:37 [dbooth]: ... By next telecon every TF should have an opinion on this. E.g., SKOS has been mentioned a number of times as a candidate for Rec track work.
17:58:13 [Zakim]: -Phil_Tetlow
17:58:19 [dbooth]: ... GRDDL work is less clear, because it isn't clear who would work on it.
17:58:54 [dbooth]: F2F logistics: http://sw.deri.org/2005/07/swbpd/
17:59:26 [dbooth]: ACTION: Ralph to make F2F registration form
17:59:29 [Jacco]: zakim, unmute me
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17:59:38 [raphael_troncy]: q+ about multimedia ontologies
17:59:39 [dbooth]: Topic: 4.0 MM TF (Giorgos)
17:59:53 [RalphS]: action -9
17:59:59 [ChrisW]: what is the first deliverable?
18:00:02 [dbooth]: Giogos: We set up home page of TF, working on the first deliverable. Have requests from others to participate.
18:00:35 [dbooth]: s/ACTION: Ralph to make F2F registration form//
18:01:01 [dbooth]: Giogos: Some W3C members want to join the TF.
18:01:09 [dbooth]: Guus: That's their right.
18:01:38 [dbooth]: Giorgos: Excellent. And for W3C members who are not yet a member of this WG?
18:02:18 [dbooth]: Guus: The need to be proposed by their AC rep. We said TF size should be 4-8. You expect more?
18:02:25 [dbooth]: Giogos: No.
18:02:45 [dbooth]: s/Some W3C members/Some W3C members who are not WG members/
18:02:59 [dbooth]: Ralph: People joining a TF need to part of the WG as a whole.
18:03:09 [dbooth]: ... and participate in these teleconferences.
18:03:15 [dbooth]: s/part/be part/
18:03:22 [dbooth]: s/be part/part/
18:03:30 [dbooth]: s/to part/to be part/
18:04:07 [dbooth]: Giorgos: To be a co-author of a deliverable?
18:04:28 [dbooth]: Ralph: They need to be appointed to the WG by the AC rep, for Intellectual Property rights reasons.
18:04:33 [raphael_troncy]: q+
18:04:41 [Jacco]: zakim, mute Jacco
18:04:41 [Zakim]: Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted
18:05:29 [dbooth]: Guus: Jane Hunter applied for Invited Expert status, given her circumstances, that might be granted.
18:06:06 [dbooth]: ... It would be good if she can join. She intends to make her new employer a member. Quite different from the Motorola case.
18:06:18 [Zakim]: -[Bologna]
18:06:18 [RalphS]: [Raphael speaking]
18:06:43 [dbooth]: Raphael: We are gathering experience in MM technologies -- the encoding in MPEG7 and others. I'll email by the end of this week.
18:06:44 [Valentina]: Valentina has left #swbp
18:06:50 [aliman]: zakim, unmute alistair
18:06:50 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles should no longer be muted
18:07:07 [raphael_troncy]: zakim, unmute Raphael
18:07:07 [Zakim]: Raphael was not muted, raphael_troncy
18:07:12 [dbooth]: Topic: 4.2 OEP (Deb/Chris)
18:07:12 [aliman]: q+ to say a couple of words on PORT
18:07:44 [raphael_troncy]: q-
18:08:03 [dbooth]: Chris: We'll need 3 docs reviewed: Qualified Cardinality Restrictions; OWL Time; Semanantic Integration. Goal was an editor's draft by the F2F, ready for WG review.
18:08:09 [Jacco]: i'll have to leave - sorry (I've got baby crying :-)
18:08:13 [Zakim]: -Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen
18:08:30 [aliman]: I could review the 'semantic integration' note?
18:08:41 [dbooth]: Chris: Might have Qual Card note ready earlier.
18:09:05 [RalphS]: -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/ OEP home page
18:09:07 [dbooth]: ... OWL Time content is ready, but needs to be formatted into W3C Note format, so it's ready for WG review.
18:09:33 [raphael_troncy]: I have read also the 'semantic integration' note and I will send comments on the list soon ...
18:10:11 [guus]: q?
18:10:16 [dbooth]: ... Semantic Int note should be ready for review for the F2F. Maybe the Qual Card note.
18:10:51 [dbooth]: Ralph: I only see a bulleted list.
18:10:55 [RalphS]: Chris: follow the 'documentation' link from the OEP page
18:11:03 [dbooth]: Chris: I need to make it point to the documentation page.
18:12:04 [dbooth]: ACTION: Alistair to review Qualified Cardinality note
18:12:30 [dbooth]: ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note
18:12:38 [Jeremy]: I'm interested in time, but too overloaded
18:12:44 [Jeremy]: Zakim, unmute me
18:12:44 [Zakim]: Jeremy should no longer be muted
18:13:09 [RalphS]: [I will likely read the Time note out of interest too, but don't want to commit to a review at this time]
18:13:45 [dwood]: Brian left about 30 minutes ago
18:13:55 [dbooth]: ACTION: Jeremy to ask HP folks about reviewing Semantic Integration note, which will be ready for review near the F2F
18:14:27 [Gary]: [I am likely to read all three notes, but cannot commit to a review at this time]
18:14:33 [dbooth]: ACTION: Libby to review OWL Time note
18:15:24 [Jeremy]: Zakim, mute me
18:15:24 [Zakim]: Jeremy should now be muted
18:16:17 [dbooth]: Natasha: As far as OEP is concerned, we're done.
18:16:22 [dbooth]: Guus: That's on my to do list.
18:16:50 [aliman]: zakim, mute alistair
18:16:50 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles should now be muted
18:16:57 [dbooth]: Guus: Expect an update of Mark's document on Wordnet.
18:17:00 [ChrisW]: that was, Natasha: as far as OEP is concerned, the n-ary notes is done, just waiting for guus
18:17:25 [Jeremy]: Zakim, unmute me
18:17:27 [Zakim]: Jeremy was not muted, Jeremy
18:17:27 [aliman]: [Adding some additional notes re PORT] ... I've written up PORT/SKOS goals at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0079.html
18:17:33 [Jeremy]: Zakim, mute me
18:17:33 [Zakim]: Jeremy should now be muted
18:17:42 [aliman]: zakim, unmute alistair
18:17:42 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles should no longer be muted
18:17:53 [dbooth]: Topic: 4.3 WordNet (Aldo)
18:17:57 [aliman]: zakim, mute alistair
18:17:57 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles should now be muted
18:17:58 [dbooth]: Nothing to add.
18:18:07 [dbooth]: Topic: 4.4 XML Schema datatypes (Jeremy)
18:18:09 [dbooth]: Nothing to add.
18:18:21 [dbooth]: Topic: 4.5 Vocabulary management (TomB)
18:18:43 [dbooth]: Libby: Site has been hacked; working on another site temporarily.
18:19:01 [ChrisW]: zakim, who is on the phone?
18:19:01 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Raphael, Ralph, Guus, Chris_H, Libby_Miller, dwood (muted), Alistair_Miles (muted), Evan_Wallace, Holgar, DBooth, ChrisW, Jeremy (muted), Mike_U, Giorgos_Stamou,
18:19:01 [dbooth]: i/Libby/Topic: 4.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ben)
18:19:12 [dbooth]: i/Libby/Topic: 4.7 ADTF (Libby)
18:19:28 [dbooth]: Topic: 4.8 RDFTM (Steve)
18:19:30 [Zakim]: -Chris_H
18:19:38 [aliman]: [PORT] also presented and gave a tutorial on SKOS Core at DC2005 last week ... tutorial at http://isegserv.itd.rl.ac.uk/cvs-public/~checkout~/skos/press/dc2005/tutorial.ppt ... presentation at http://isegserv.itd.rl.ac.uk/cvs-public/~checkout~/skos/press/dc2005/presentation.ppt
18:19:41 [dbooth]: Topic: 4.9 Tutorial Page
18:19:55 [dbooth]: Topic: 4.10 SE TF
18:19:55 [libby]: (we're maintaining this http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebDOAPBulletinBoard but not http://esw.w3.org/mt/esw/ in adtf)
18:20:01 [aliman]: zakim, unmute alistair
18:20:01 [Zakim]: Alistair_Miles should no longer be muted
18:20:02 [Zakim]: aliman, you wanted to say a couple of words on PORT
18:20:08 [Zakim]: -Holgar
18:20:25 [dbooth]: CTION: DanBri to clarify rules for IG to propose new mailing lists for its TFs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes.html#action10] [PENDING]
18:20:34 [aliman]: [PORT] feedback at DC2005 on SKOS was overwhelmingly positive!
18:20:34 [dbooth]: s/CTION/ACTION/
18:20:49 [jrvosse]: jrvosse has joined #swbp
18:20:56 [Zakim]: -Natasha
18:20:57 [Zakim]: -Evan_Wallace
18:21:00 [Zakim]: -dwood
18:21:03 [Zakim]: -Libby_Miller
18:21:04 [Zakim]: -Raphael
18:21:05 [Zakim]: -Alistair_Miles
18:21:05 [Zakim]: -DBooth
18:21:06 [Zakim]: -Guus
18:21:09 [Zakim]: -Giorgos_Stamou
18:21:11 [Zakim]: -Jeremy
18:21:17 [Zakim]: -Ralph
18:21:27 [dbooth]: Guus: Main topic of upcoming F2F agenda will be on what work to continue.
18:21:31 [dbooth]: ADJOURNED
18:21:32 [Zakim]: -Mike_U
18:21:34 [Zakim]: SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended
18:21:35 [Zakim]: Attendees were Ralph, Raphael, +31.40.293.aaaa, Valentina, Guus, Chris_H, Libby_Miller, Alistair_Miles, +44.777.5.aabb, Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen, Evan_Wallace, Brian, DBooth, Holgar,
18:21:37 [Zakim]: ... ChrisW, Phil_Tetlow, +1.425.917.aacc, Jeremy, Mike_U, dwood, +1.650.814.aadd, Giorgos_Stamou, Deb, Natasha
18:22:00 [dbooth]: zakim, bye
18:22:00 [Zakim]: Zakim has left #swbp
18:22:08 [dbooth]: rrsagent, draft minutes
18:22:12 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-minutes.html dbooth
18:22:55 [raphael_troncy]: exit
18:22:58 [raphael_troncy]: raphael_troncy has left #swbp
18:23:14 [dbooth]: rrsagent, make log member
18:38:56 [RalphS]: rrsagent, please make log public
20:05:52 [RalphS]: rrsagent, bye
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: I see 12 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-actions.rdf :
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ralph create a registration page for the November f2f [1]
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc#T17-13-32
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Ralph, DavidW, and DavidB to an initial draft of TAG [2]
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc#T17-16-51
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: jjc to review XML Schema last call [DONE] [3]
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc#T17-17-16
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: DavidWood and Brian to review SPARQL Last Call document [4]
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc#T17-22-57
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Jeremy to brief the WG on use of IRIs in SPARQL [5]
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc#T17-23-40
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: jjc review EARL requirements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] [6]
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc#T17-26-09
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Alistair and Guus to help the WAI Protocol and Formats WG on their vocabulary [7]
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc#T17-32-18
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Guus to ping Benjamin and Jeff about the Tutorial Page [8]
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc#T17-54-15
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Alistair to review Qualified Cardinality note [10]
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc#T18-12-04
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note [11]
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc#T18-12-30
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Jeremy to ask HP folks about reviewing Semantic Integration note, which will be ready for review near the F2F [12]
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc#T18-13-55
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: Libby to review OWL Time note [13]
20:05:52 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc#T18-14-33