16:53:54 RRSAgent has joined #swbp 16:53:54 logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/09/19-swbp-irc 16:54:00 Meeting: SemWeb BPD 16:54:13 SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started 16:54:19 SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended 16:54:20 Attendees were 16:54:51 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0067.html 16:55:01 raphael_troncy has joined #swbp 16:55:05 hi all 16:55:17 Previous: 2005-09-05 http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes 16:56:17 hi all, this is Valentina Presutti 16:56:57 SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started 16:57:04 +[UMD] 16:57:12 -[UMD] 16:57:13 SW_BPD()1:00PM has ended 16:57:14 Attendees were [UMD] 16:57:22 SW_BPD()1:00PM has now started 16:57:26 +Ralph 16:57:31 +[CWI] 16:58:00 zakim, cwi is Raphael 16:58:00 +Raphael; got it 16:58:50 Hi all, this is Christian Halaschek with UMD 16:58:54 +[Bologna] 16:59:03 aliman has joined #swbp 16:59:05 libby has joined #swbp 16:59:23 + +31.40.293.aaaa 16:59:24 +[UMD] 16:59:24 zakim, Bologna has Valentina 16:59:25 +Valentina; got it 16:59:26 dbooth has joined #swbp 16:59:39 zakim, aaaa is Guus 16:59:39 +Guus; got it 16:59:46 zakim, umd is Chris_H 16:59:46 +Chris_H; got it 17:00:21 +Libby_Miller 17:00:38 +David_Wood 17:00:42 +??P7 17:00:43 +Alistair_Miles (was ??P7) 17:00:50 dwood has joined #swbp 17:00:57 guus has joined #swbp 17:01:03 Regrets: Fabien, Benjamin, Jeff, Deb 17:01:16 Regrets+ TomB 17:01:32 Jacco has joined #swbp 17:02:07 + +44.777.5.aabb 17:02:17 +Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen 17:02:30 +Evan_Wallace 17:02:36 +??P10 17:02:37 zakim, aabb is Brian 17:02:38 +Brian; got it 17:02:59 +DBooth 17:03:05 zakim. mute Jacco 17:03:15 zakim, mute Jacco 17:03:15 Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted 17:03:21 zakim, ??p10 is Holgar 17:03:21 +Holgar; got it 17:03:43 zakim, who is here? 17:03:43 On the phone I see Raphael (muted), Ralph, [Bologna] (muted), Guus, Chris_H, Libby_Miller, David_Wood, Alistair_Miles, Brian, Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen (muted), Evan_Wallace, Holgar, 17:03:47 ... DBooth 17:03:48 [Bologna] has Valentina 17:03:49 On IRC I see Jacco, guus, dwood, dbooth, libby, aliman, raphael_troncy, RRSAgent, Zakim, Valentina, chalaschek, RalphS 17:04:10 ChrisW has joined #swbp 17:04:28 Gary has joined #swbp 17:04:39 +[IBM] 17:04:46 zakim, [ibm] is temporarily me 17:04:46 +ChrisW; got it 17:05:03 zakim, nominate a scribe 17:05:03 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Guus 17:05:06 zakim, nominate a scribe 17:05:06 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ralph 17:05:21 I am on IRC only today 17:05:46 bwm has joined #swbp 17:05:51 zakim, nominate a scribe 17:05:51 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose David_Wood (muted) 17:05:54 zakim, nominate a scribe 17:05:54 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [Bologna] (muted) 17:05:57 +Phil_Tetlow 17:06:05 jjc has joined #swbp 17:06:09 zakim, nominate a scribe 17:06:09 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ChrisW 17:06:11 zakim, nominate a scribe 17:06:11 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose David_Wood (muted) 17:06:14 zakim, nominate a scribe 17:06:14 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Valentina 17:06:16 zakim, nominate a scribe 17:06:16 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DBooth 17:06:30 zakim, nominate a scribe 17:06:30 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DBooth 17:06:39 zakim, nominate a scribe 17:06:39 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [Bologna] (muted) 17:06:45 +[IPcaller] 17:06:52 + +1.425.917.aacc 17:06:54 i would scribe but are without headset 17:07:00 zakim, ipcaller is Jeremy 17:07:00 +Jeremy; got it 17:07:06 zakim, aacc is Mike_U 17:07:06 +Mike_U; got it 17:07:24 evan has joined #swbp 17:08:54 zakim, umute Jacco 17:08:54 I don't understand 'umute Jacco', Jacco 17:09:01 zakim, unmute Jacco 17:09:01 Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should no longer be muted 17:09:05 dwood has joined #swbp 17:09:09 Zakim, mute me 17:09:09 Jeremy should now be muted 17:09:29 zakim, unmute me 17:09:29 sorry, dwood, I do not see a party named 'dwood' 17:09:30 zakim, mute Jacco 17:09:31 Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted 17:09:37 Zakim, unmute me 17:09:37 Jeremy should no longer be muted 17:09:37 Scribe: DBooth 17:09:44 zakim, who is here? 17:09:44 On the phone I see Raphael (muted), Ralph, [Bologna] (muted), Guus, Chris_H, Libby_Miller, David_Wood (muted), Alistair_Miles (muted), Brian (muted), Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen 17:09:47 ... (muted), Evan_Wallace, Holgar, DBooth, ChrisW, Phil_Tetlow, Jeremy, Mike_U 17:09:48 [Bologna] has Valentina 17:09:49 On IRC I see dwood, evan, Jeremy, bwm, Gary, ChrisW, Jacco, guus, dbooth, libby, aliman, raphael_troncy, RRSAgent, Zakim, Valentina, chalaschek, RalphS 17:09:51 Zakim, mute me 17:09:51 Jeremy should now be muted 17:10:00 zakim, dwood is David_Wood 17:10:00 sorry, dwood, I do not recognize a party named 'dwood' 17:10:07 Chair: Guus Schreiber / David Wood 17:10:14 zakim, David_Wood is dwood 17:10:14 +dwood; got it 17:10:21 zakim, unmute me 17:10:21 dwood should no longer be muted 17:10:42 Topic: 1. ADMIN 17:11:02 + +1.650.814.aadd 17:11:03 RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the 5 September telecon: 17:11:03 http://www.w3.org/2005/09/05-swbp-minutes 17:11:20 probable regrets from Brian for 03 Oct - will be on train 17:11:30 I'm on the phone but I muted it because of noise in the office, sorry 17:11:32 zakim, mute me 17:11:32 dwood should now be muted 17:11:37 +Giorgos_Stamou 17:11:42 RESOLVED: next meeting 3 October. 17:11:55 Vassilis has joined #swbp 17:12:24 zakim, aadd is Deb 17:12:24 +Deb; got it 17:13:13 giorgos has joined #swbp 17:13:32 ACTION: Ralph create a registration page for the November f2f 17:14:06 F2F Preparation: Trying to find a sponsor for the dinner. Volunteers? 17:14:31 Guus: Please book now! 17:15:12 Topic: 2.1 Proposed resolution httpRange-14 17:15:29 zakim, unmute me 17:15:29 dwood should no longer be muted 17:15:58 zakim, mute me 17:15:58 dwood should now be muted 17:16:35 ralphs: +1 on more work re httpRange-14 17:16:41 Zakim, unmute me 17:16:41 Jeremy should no longer be muted 17:16:51 ACTION: Ralph, DavidW, and DavidB to an initial draft of TAG 17:16:51 httpRange-14 resolution impact on semweb application developers [DONE] 17:17:07 Topic: 2.2 XML Schema Last Call 17:17:16 ACTION: jjc to review XML Schema last call [DONE] 17:18:25 [I'm reviewing the context of JJC's action in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action02 ] 17:18:44 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0104.html 17:18:56 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-schema-comments/2005AprJun/0037.html 17:19:35 Natasha has joined #swbp 17:19:36 I'm happy considering this action DONE 17:19:38 +??P19 17:19:48 zakim, ??p19 is Natasha 17:19:48 +Natasha; got it 17:19:49 Topic: 2.3 SPARQL Last Call 17:20:29 Zakim, mute me 17:20:29 Jeremy should now be muted 17:20:34 Guus: There were requests from DanC for review from the SWBPD WG. Volunteers? 17:21:03 I could take a pass at it - though note the editor sits close to me 17:21:04 I volunteeer - I've been reading it anyway 17:21:32 Ralph: Had some discussion about onset and source. Chris and Deb offered input on them. Have they looked at current SPARQL work? 17:21:42 s/onset/UNSAID/ 17:22:01 Chris: I looked at part, not all. There are a couple of IBM folks on the WG. 17:22:05 zakim, unmute me 17:22:05 dwood should no longer be muted 17:22:05 q+ to mention IRIs 17:22:22 -Deb 17:22:42 zakim, mute me 17:22:42 dwood should now be muted 17:22:57 ACTION: DavidWood and Brian to review SPARQL Last Call document 17:23:00 Jeremy, you wanted to mention IRIs 17:23:01 Zakim, unmute me 17:23:03 Jeremy was not muted, Jeremy 17:23:10 Natasha has joined #swbp 17:23:40 ACTION: Jeremy to brief the WG on use of IRIs in SPARQL 17:23:53 Zakim, mute me 17:23:53 Jeremy should now be muted 17:24:46 14 September 2005: SPARQL Protocol for RDF - Last Call Ends 14 October 2005 17:24:50 Topic: 2.4 Protocol and Formats WG request 17:25:02 Zakim, unmute me 17:25:02 Jeremy should no longer be muted 17:25:24 Guus: There was a specific request for people to look at some problems they have. 17:25:50 (SPARQL Query Results XML Format and SPARQL Query Language for RDF LC both ended 1 Sep) 17:26:09 ACTION: jjc review EARL requirements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [PENDING] 17:26:59 Guus: Volunteers? (No response) 17:27:28 Ralph: Folks who have looked at porting taxonomies to the SemWeb might be able to help. 17:28:26 Alistair: This is the first I've heard of it. I'll have to look first. 17:28:56 Chris: I don't think we should be consultants to people who want to build vocabularies on the SemWeb. 17:28:59 +Deb 17:29:33 Zakim, q+ to talk about SW and W3C 17:29:33 I see Jeremy on the speaker queue 17:29:49 Zakim, unmute me 17:29:49 Jeremy was not muted, Jeremy 17:29:51 Ralph: We wouldn't want a floodgate of requests for help, but this is another W3C WG, so is very much in the spirit of our charter. I don't think the material in the existing OEP notes is relevant to them -- their work is much more advanced. 17:30:03 q+ to ask for clarification on PFWG 17:30:15 I also said - swbp had a lot of material in the form of notes that could help this group 17:30:41 s/so is/is asking us to comment on their work-in-progress with respect to best practice, and so is/ 17:30:49 Jeremy: From external perspective, all W3C publications reflect what the W3C says, so if other groups say bad things it reflects badly on W3C as a whole. So even if we don't want to, we need to pay attention to what others say. 17:31:00 s/their work/the OEP work/ 17:31:07 Zakim, mute me 17:31:07 Jeremy should now be muted 17:31:26 Ralph: the EARL work may eventually need what OEP has written but they're not yet there 17:31:43 Alistair: This WG is creating a taxonomy? (Yes) And they want advice on how to develop that? (Yes) 17:32:18 ACTION: Alistair and Guus to help the WAI Protocol and Formats WG on their vocabulary 17:32:34 Topic: 3. FTF preparation and future of WG 17:33:12 Guus: Need to consider what work should continue, and in what form, after the end of this WG charter expires. 17:33:25 Please note that the SPARQL last call is for the *protocol* (http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/proto-wd/). This is not to be confused with the query language (although I think it was). 17:33:31 ... I saw something from the OAP TF. Others? 17:33:36 (XSCH: I've not considered this yet) 17:33:39 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0071.html OEP agenda for f2f [Chris 2005-09-17] 17:33:58 re: sparql comment from dwood - I only looked at the query language, never the protocol 17:34:09 ...however, PatH has been involved (OEP member) 17:35:10 Alistair: I hope by the time of the F2F we will have the revise WD of the SKOS core spec and the revised WD of the guide reflecting changes to date. Also proposals regarding SKOS Core and OWL. By end of charter, hope to have 3rd public WD (after review in OAP TF). 17:35:48 Q: Should this be a break out session or part of full session? 17:36:03 Guus: I prefer it to be in the primary session. 17:36:36 Alistair: Fine. At the F2F I'd like to discuss a list of proposals/issues relating to the SKOS/OWL relationship. 17:36:46 giorgos has joined #swbp 17:37:12 Zakin, unmute me 17:37:15 zakim, unmute me 17:37:15 Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should no longer be muted 17:37:25 Guus: Multimedia TF? 17:37:55 Giogios: Want to discuss the second deliverable for the TF, and the deliverable for the next year: the main budget for next year. 17:37:58 zakin, unmute me 17:38:06 Guus: Goals for this F2F? Deliverables? 17:38:41 Giogios: First deliverable will be finished; discuss the second. 17:39:05 Guus: Decision on publishing the first deliverable at F2F? And date for 2nd deliverable? 17:39:12 -Deb 17:39:21 Giogios: Ok. 17:39:38 Guus: All documents to be discussed need to be available 1 week before the F2F. 17:40:04 s/Giogios/Giorgos/g 17:40:33 Guus: RDFTM? 17:40:47 zakim, mute Jacco 17:40:47 Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted 17:41:18 q? 17:41:22 Valentina: We started again to work. Didn't discuss yet about F2F goals, but I'll post email to the list about goals and I'll be there at the F2F. 17:41:43 s/work/work (Steve was ill)/ 17:41:47 Zakim, unmute me 17:41:47 Jeremy should no longer be muted 17:41:48 q- 17:41:54 q? 17:41:58 [good to have RDFTM presence here on the WG telecon; thanks, Valentina] 17:42:06 Jeremy, you wanted to talk about SW and W3C 17:42:36 q- jeremy 17:42:50 Zakim, mute me 17:42:50 Jeremy should now be muted 17:42:52 Guus: Wordnet TF? 17:43:45 Do we have a plan beyond the f2f? 17:43:58 zakim, mute phil 17:43:59 Phil_Tetlow should now be muted 17:44:01 Zakim, unmute me 17:44:01 Jeremy should no longer be muted 17:44:04 zakim, unmute alistair 17:44:04 Alistair_Miles was not muted, aliman 17:44:09 zakim, umute alistair 17:44:09 I don't understand 'umute alistair', aliman 17:44:13 zakim, mute alistair 17:44:13 Alistair_Miles should now be muted 17:44:16 Guus: Can bring data model RDF/OWL version to F2F. I'll post to the list. 17:45:37 Zakim, mute me 17:45:37 Jeremy should now be muted 17:45:43 Jeremy: I'll consider this and email the list. 17:45:49 zakim, unmute alistair 17:45:49 Alistair_Miles should no longer be muted 17:45:53 [JJC was commenting re: XML Schema Datatypes] 17:46:12 Vassilsi has joined #swbp 17:46:21 Topic: 4.5 Vocabulary management 17:47:04 Alistair: Suggest that Tom and I write up what we've done and submit that. 17:47:15 zakim, mute alistair 17:47:15 Alistair_Miles should now be muted 17:47:45 s/Topic: 4.5/Guus: 17:48:07 Guus: RDF-in-HTML? 17:48:25 ... TF needs to make clear what they can realistically achieve in the short term, and how to close this work. 17:48:47 -Brian 17:49:13 Ralph: TF is in limbo. Haven't managed to have a telecon in quite a while. I continue to think we have a plan that is executable, and could propose to shift the burden back to the HTML WG, but I'm not optimistic about that being effective. 17:50:05 ... This WG should continue to need to participate. Should not have a plan to close the TF until HTML2 is in Last Call that meets our needs. WE have outstanding issues with no recorded progress. 17:50:26 Guus: What about producing a simple guideline note based on Jeremy's WWW conference talk? 17:50:37 Ralph: That could help. 17:50:38 Jeremy moans ... 17:50:50 Zakim, unmute me 17:50:50 Jeremy should no longer be muted 17:51:09 zakin, unmute raphael_troncy 17:51:15 zakin, unmute raphael 17:52:09 Jeremy: That's nice feedback, but not nice to have another action. I'd be happy to be a supporting player. 17:52:34 Ralph: Need to get our TF reconvening. 17:52:43 Zakim, mute me 17:52:43 Jeremy should now be muted 17:52:45 Guus: We have too many TFs in limbo. Need to clear that by the F2F. 17:52:55 Guus: ADTF? 17:53:10 Libby: Discussed about whether to transfer to IG. I'll follow up with email. 17:53:23 jeremy, could steven pemberton write up your talk as a rdf-a note? 17:53:28 Guus: Goals For F2F? 17:53:58 Guus: Tutorial Page? 17:54:03 I apologize, I have to leave the telecon. 17:54:14 Goodbye to all :) 17:54:15 ACTION: Guus to ping Benjamin and Jeff about the Tutorial Page 17:54:30 Guus: SE TF? 17:55:00 "ODA" note 17:55:17 Phil: Two definites: It would be good to decide about publication of ODA Note. Second: Transfer of this discussion into SWIG. 17:56:17 Guus: By next telecon, DavidW and I will try to have a draft agenda for the F2F. 17:57:06 ... Should also think about what should happen after Feb 1: Continue in IG? Elsewhere? Special WG of its own? Etc. 17:57:37 ... By next telecon every TF should have an opinion on this. E.g., SKOS has been mentioned a number of times as a candidate for Rec track work. 17:58:13 -Phil_Tetlow 17:58:19 ... GRDDL work is less clear, because it isn't clear who would work on it. 17:58:54 F2F logistics: http://sw.deri.org/2005/07/swbpd/ 17:59:26 ACTION: Ralph to make F2F registration form 17:59:29 zakim, unmute me 17:59:29 Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should no longer be muted 17:59:38 q+ about multimedia ontologies 17:59:39 Topic: 4.0 MM TF (Giorgos) 17:59:53 action -9 17:59:59 what is the first deliverable? 18:00:02 Giogos: We set up home page of TF, working on the first deliverable. Have requests from others to participate. 18:00:35 s/ACTION: Ralph to make F2F registration form// 18:01:01 Giogos: Some W3C members want to join the TF. 18:01:09 Guus: That's their right. 18:01:38 Giorgos: Excellent. And for W3C members who are not yet a member of this WG? 18:02:18 Guus: The need to be proposed by their AC rep. We said TF size should be 4-8. You expect more? 18:02:25 Giogos: No. 18:02:45 s/Some W3C members/Some W3C members who are not WG members/ 18:02:59 Ralph: People joining a TF need to part of the WG as a whole. 18:03:09 ... and participate in these teleconferences. 18:03:15 s/part/be part/ 18:03:22 s/be part/part/ 18:03:30 s/to part/to be part/ 18:04:07 Giorgos: To be a co-author of a deliverable? 18:04:28 Ralph: They need to be appointed to the WG by the AC rep, for Intellectual Property rights reasons. 18:04:33 q+ 18:04:41 zakim, mute Jacco 18:04:41 Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen should now be muted 18:05:29 Guus: Jane Hunter applied for Invited Expert status, given her circumstances, that might be granted. 18:06:06 ... It would be good if she can join. She intends to make her new employer a member. Quite different from the Motorola case. 18:06:18 -[Bologna] 18:06:18 [Raphael speaking] 18:06:43 Raphael: We are gathering experience in MM technologies -- the encoding in MPEG7 and others. I'll email by the end of this week. 18:06:44 Valentina has left #swbp 18:06:50 zakim, unmute alistair 18:06:50 Alistair_Miles should no longer be muted 18:07:07 zakim, unmute Raphael 18:07:07 Raphael was not muted, raphael_troncy 18:07:12 Topic: 4.2 OEP (Deb/Chris) 18:07:12 q+ to say a couple of words on PORT 18:07:44 q- 18:08:03 Chris: We'll need 3 docs reviewed: Qualified Cardinality Restrictions; OWL Time; Semanantic Integration. Goal was an editor's draft by the F2F, ready for WG review. 18:08:09 i'll have to leave - sorry (I've got baby crying :-) 18:08:13 -Jacco_van_Ossenbruggen 18:08:30 I could review the 'semantic integration' note? 18:08:41 Chris: Might have Qual Card note ready earlier. 18:09:05 -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/ OEP home page 18:09:07 ... OWL Time content is ready, but needs to be formatted into W3C Note format, so it's ready for WG review. 18:09:33 I have read also the 'semantic integration' note and I will send comments on the list soon ... 18:10:11 q? 18:10:16 ... Semantic Int note should be ready for review for the F2F. Maybe the Qual Card note. 18:10:51 Ralph: I only see a bulleted list. 18:10:55 Chris: follow the 'documentation' link from the OEP page 18:11:03 Chris: I need to make it point to the documentation page. 18:12:04 ACTION: Alistair to review Qualified Cardinality note 18:12:30 ACTION: Guus to review OWL Time note 18:12:38 I'm interested in time, but too overloaded 18:12:44 Zakim, unmute me 18:12:44 Jeremy should no longer be muted 18:13:09 [I will likely read the Time note out of interest too, but don't want to commit to a review at this time] 18:13:45 Brian left about 30 minutes ago 18:13:55 ACTION: Jeremy to ask HP folks about reviewing Semantic Integration note, which will be ready for review near the F2F 18:14:27 [I am likely to read all three notes, but cannot commit to a review at this time] 18:14:33 ACTION: Libby to review OWL Time note 18:15:24 Zakim, mute me 18:15:24 Jeremy should now be muted 18:16:17 Natasha: As far as OEP is concerned, we're done. 18:16:22 Guus: That's on my to do list. 18:16:50 zakim, mute alistair 18:16:50 Alistair_Miles should now be muted 18:16:57 Guus: Expect an update of Mark's document on Wordnet. 18:17:00 that was, Natasha: as far as OEP is concerned, the n-ary notes is done, just waiting for guus 18:17:25 Zakim, unmute me 18:17:27 Jeremy was not muted, Jeremy 18:17:27 [Adding some additional notes re PORT] ... I've written up PORT/SKOS goals at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0079.html 18:17:33 Zakim, mute me 18:17:33 Jeremy should now be muted 18:17:42 zakim, unmute alistair 18:17:42 Alistair_Miles should no longer be muted 18:17:53 Topic: 4.3 WordNet (Aldo) 18:17:57 zakim, mute alistair 18:17:57 Alistair_Miles should now be muted 18:17:58 Nothing to add. 18:18:07 Topic: 4.4 XML Schema datatypes (Jeremy) 18:18:09 Nothing to add. 18:18:21 Topic: 4.5 Vocabulary management (TomB) 18:18:43 Libby: Site has been hacked; working on another site temporarily. 18:19:01 zakim, who is on the phone? 18:19:01 On the phone I see Raphael, Ralph, Guus, Chris_H, Libby_Miller, dwood (muted), Alistair_Miles (muted), Evan_Wallace, Holgar, DBooth, ChrisW, Jeremy (muted), Mike_U, Giorgos_Stamou, 18:19:01 i/Libby/Topic: 4.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ben) 18:19:04 ... Natasha 18:19:12