W3C

SemWeb Best Practices and Deployment

21 Apr 2005

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
David Wood, Alistair Miles, Ralph Swick, Jeremy Carroll, Fabien Gandon, Elisa Kendall, Phil Tetlow, Gavin McKenzie, Libby Miller, Chris Welty, Deb McGuinness, Evan Wallace, +44.774.0.aaaa
Regrets
GuusS, SteveP, BenjaminN, NatashaN, DanBri, TomB, DarrenG, GaryN, MarcoN, BrianM, AldoG, JeffP, ValentinaP
Chair
DavidW
Scribe
Jeremy

Contents


Admin

RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the April 7 telecon

RESOLVED next telecon 5 May, 1700 UTC, Ralph to chair if necessary; regrets from David & Jeremy

general actions, two both marked done

ACTION: Guus to organise straw poll on f2f location [DONE]

ACTION: Ralph investigate what action may be taken when an interested participant has been unable to get a response from his AC Representative [DONE]

Jeremy: might want to consider if we want to make a WG comment on SCD doc

David: tough since no one has read it, discuss under action item

Liaison

ACTION: Chairs to discuss the httpRange-14 issue at the coordination level [CONTINUES]

2.1 httpRange-14 liason discussion has been had at CG level, but still deadlocked

2.2 ODM review

ACTION: Guus to review OWL metamodel [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary [CONTINUES]

(althought Pat Hayes comment addressed some of Deb's points)

2.3 XML Schema Component Designators

Jeremy posted review just before call

ACTION: jjc to review XML schema LC draft [DONE]

<Ralph> XML Schema Component Designators Review [Jeremy 2005-04-21]

ACTION: jeff to review XML schema LC draft [CONTINUES]

Jeremy: I suggested a WG response that was positive.
... one comment we might want to make regarding namespace bindings

Ralph: I suggest that Jeremy post his review to both WGs as his own review

Jeremy: agree

ACTION: jeremy post personal review to XSCD doc

TF Updates

3.10, SE

Phil: we're pretty close to second version of note for WG consideration, probably within next three weeks

3.1 PORT

Alistair:SKOS core and docs, Tom Baker asked how SKOS Core is managed, and how that relates to W3C process and managing docs
... Current process model is editors can change it at any time
... So the current version of SKOS core can be out-of-sync with published WG note
... Meeting in Berlin Zoo last week
... suggested different SKOS management process model that fits in with W3C process dor publishing docs
... After publication of WD by WG, SKOS Core is frozen, but possible changes are recorded
... any then with a new WD the changes agree by WG get rolled in to SKOS Core and new WD

Ralph: I saw small group of developers around SKOS and turning it into more formal W3C like process
... this is a change for the SKOS community
... may they be expecting to make more frequent changes?
... doing a diff on two versions of an editors draft should be able to be correlated with e-mail
... so that changes are owned by the WG through the e-mail

Alistair: more informal version of DCMI usage board
... key change being proposed is that changes won't actually be implemented until SWBPD WG approves WD

Ralph: key change is move from informal process as the current SKOS community may expect to a more formal process

Alistair: most people in SKOS community would like SKOS core to be more stable

Tom: confusion between editors draft and public WDs

Ralph: WG is free to modify namespace doc between versions of WDs
... but important to align expectations of community with expectations of WG

Alistair: from meeting with Tom, it would be good to have a W3C process for maintaining vocab

Ralph: as PORT TF asks WG to publish notes, the WG assumes ownership of vocab

Alistair: ownership of SKOS should be open community which anyone can contribute to it

Jeremy: the OWL and RDF test cases had a similar issue with Working Drafts being published but the test case repository being changed in-place
... when the editor's drafts differed from the latest Working Draft, it was often because the test respository had changed

Alistair: Tom was not happy with the test cases model

3.2 OEP

<Ralph> OEP TF home (lists all editor's drafts)

Deb and Chris report ...

[part-whole] update from Natasha's note on April 14

classes as values is now published note

specified values note is ready to go

n-ary relations is still being revised

with n-ary relations several requests to pick a pattern, and provide an RDF vocab for the pattern

then the vocab would need to be at a namespace doc etc etc

Chris: applications that want higher -arity relations would like a way to translate to and from RDF's binary relations
... a vocabulary accepted by most applications would facilitate this

David: given the current state of the SemWeb, I have no trouble calling this 'best practice' rather than 'research'

Ralph: is the OEP TF in a position to propose such a vocabulary?

Chris: yes, we have something nearly ready to put in the document

David asks Deb if she is happy with this.

Deb: I don't mind haven't a standard vocab, as long as documented well

Ralph: question of whether this becomes a formal rec is separate
... I encourage the TF to propose a vocabulary for converting between binary and n-ary relations

two other editors draft part/whole

guus wrote note on QCRs a year ago ... but now recovered

Alan has agreed to take over editing QCRs note once part whole note is WD

Chris asks Ralph about Gerry Hobbs and ISI AC rep

Ralph is expecting resolution any day soon

ACTION: Ralph re-ping ISI AC Rep

3.3 Wordnet

ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description [CONTINUES]

Alistair has looked at datamodel and met with ISO group on temrinology

lots of overlap between ISO view, SKOS, and wordnet

ACTION: Alistair e-mail group about ISO contact; Laurent Romary

Chris: Aldo has spoken about this community. Aldo attended some meeting with them

<aliman> Other TC37 contact: Alan K. Melby

3.4 XML Schema datatypes

ACTION: Ralph help Jeff and Jeremy with XML Schema Datatype publication request [DONE]

<Ralph> The document transition was requested on 11 April

ralph claims action is done, but the document transition request fell down a crack

ACTION: Ralph get XML Schema Datatype transition request unstuck

Jeremy: I have not yet considered Ashok's review; will send a polite to respond to him acknowledging the review

ACTION: jeremy polite reply to ashok setting expectations

3.5 Vocabulary management (TomB)

Alistair: we had a chat last week

3.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ben)

ACTION: DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional xhtml2 namespace elements [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have use cases [CONTINUES]

Ralph: still awaiting XHTML2 LC WD

Jeremy:from what I can tell there does not seem to be a lot of enthusiasm in HP for GRDDL. HP not opposed to GRDDL moving forward but not enthused either

Gavin:(earlier) got expressions of support for GRDDL within Adobe, w.r.t. XHTML1
... will write this in mail

3.7 ADTF (Libby)

Libby: not much to report
... e-mail discussion on-going

Chris: if one of the criteria is that it has to be RDF or OWL, didn't we have to change title to avoid question of scope of Semantic Web

David: we should be defining scope of SW but this is probably a CG issue not a TF issue
... eric would like TM to be in SW, WG perhaps not so keen
... in practice dealing mostly with RDF and OWL

<Ralph> [I think David's "we" referred generally to W3C or the community, not specifically SWBPD]

David: can we link to lots of RDF data

Ralph: let's not go there
... if there is cool data out there, hopefully it is found from cool application on our page

ChrisW: note http://swoogle.umbc.edu/

Libby: Bob de charm is collecting data as david discusses; http://www.rdfdata.org/

David: also ontaria; cobranded W3c/darpa

3.8 RDFTM (Steve)

ACTION: pepper to change reference to RDF semantics [DONE]

current status was published on March 29

3.9 Tutorial Page

jeff and Ben absent, but write access sorted out now

ACTION: Jeff to talk with Benjamin to propose a process for submission of FAQ questions [CONTINUES]

ACTION: Ralph add Note category to WG home page

Summary of Action Items

ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description
ACTION:
Alistair e-mail group about ISO contact; Laurent Romary
ACTION:
Chairs to discuss the httpRange-14 issue at the coordination level
ACTION:
DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional xhtml2 namespace elements
ACTION:
Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary
ACTION:
Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have use cases
ACTION:
Guus to review OWL metamodel
ACTION:
jeff to review XML schema LC draft
ACTION:
Jeff to talk with Benjamin to propose a process for submission of FAQ questions
[NEW]
ACTION: jeremy polite reply to ashok setting expectations
[NEW]
ACTION: jeremy post personal review to XSCD doc
[NEW]
ACTION: Ralph add Note category to WG home page
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph get XML Schema Datatype transition request unstuck
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph re-ping ISI AC Rep

[DONE] ACTION: Guus to organise straw poll on f2f location
[DONE] ACTION: jjc to review XML schema LC draft
[DONE] ACTION: pepper to change reference to RDF semantics
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph help Jeff and Jeremy with XML Schema Datatype publication request
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph investigate what action may be taken when an interested participant has been unable to get a response from his AC Representative


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