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Agenda of 22 September 2003 TAG teleconference

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Note: The Chair does not expect the agenda to change after close of business (Boston time) Thursday of this week.

1. Administrative (15min)

1. Roll call. NW to Chair. Regrets: SW, DO, TBL
2. Accept the minutes of the 15 Sep teleconf?
3. Accept this agenda?
4. Next meeting 29 Sep teleconf?
5. TAG participation in Tech Plenary 2004 (1-5 March)?

Upcoming events:

• 18 Sep: Next draft from NW/DO of extensibility draft finding
• 22 Sep telcon: Review of Editors' draft of arch doc
• 29 Sep telcon: Focus on Findings
• 1 Oct: TR page draft of arch doc
• 6-8 Oct ftf: arch doc review primarily, publishing expectations

1.1 Bristol FTF Agenda

1. Primarily focused on Arch Doc, TAG findings.
2. 9h - 17h M, T. (Not sure for W).
3. Meeting page

2. Technical (75min)

2.1 Architecture Document

Reference draft: 18 September 2003 Editor's Draft of the Arch Doc.

2.1.1 Review of actions related to Architecture Document

Completed action items:

• Completed action TB 2003/08/18: Bring some Vancouver ftf meeting photos to IJ attention (of whiteboard, re: CL action about illustration of two resources). Done, but IJ has not incorporated images in 18 Sep draft.
• Completed action TB 2003/08/04: Write a definition of "XML-based" (Done; in 18 Sep Arch Doc).
• Completed action IJ 2003/08/04: s/machine-readable/something like: optimized for processors, w/ defn that includes notion that it can be processed unattended (by a person).
• Completed action TB and CL 2003/07/21: Propose a replacement sentence in section 3.2.2.1 regarding advantages of text formats. Please confirm that this is done in 18 Sep draft.

Open action items:

• Action RF 2003/06/02: Rewrite section 3. From 21 July ftf meeting, due 18 August.
• Action IJ 2003/06/16: Attempt to incorporate relevant bits of "Conversations and State" into section to be produced by RF.
• Action TBL 2003/07/14: Suggest changes to section about extensibility related to "when to tunnel".
• Action CL 2003/07/21: Create an illustration of two resources, one designated by URI without fragment, and one designated by same URI with fragment...
• Action IJ, CL 2003/07/21: Discuss and propose improved wording of language regarding SVG spec in bulleted list in 2.5.1.
• Action DC 2003/07/21: Propose language for section 2.8.5 showing examples of freenet and other systems.

The following action items were follow-up from the 22 July face-to-face meeting in Vancouver:

• Identification and resources
  1. TBL 2003/08/21: Write replacement text for Moby Dick example in section 2.6 (on URI ambiguity). Is this done in TBL's draft?
• Representations
  1. TB, IJ 2003/08/21: Integrate findings. What does this mean?

2.1.2 Review of 18 Sep draft

2.2 Findings

• 11 Sep 2003 draft of Deep Linking in the WWW
  • Action TB 2003/09/15: Ask Lauren Wood to review German text to see if applicable.
  • Pending action IJ 2003/09/15: Take back to Comm Team publicity of this document.
• whenToUseGet-7: 19 September 2003 draft of URIs, Addressability, and the use of HTTP GET and POST
  • Completed action IJ 2003/09/15: Incorporate NM comments and publish revision. If nobody shouts "Stop!" then we consider the finding accepted by the TAG.
  • Reviews? Objections?
  • Action DC 2003/09/15: Provide TAG with pointers into WS specs where issue of safe operations is manifest.
  • Action DO 2003/09/15: Ask WSDL WG to look at finding; ask them if marking operations as safe in WSDL is one of their requirements.
• contentTypeOverride-24: 9 July 2003 draft of Client handling of MIME headers
  1. Completed action TB 2003/09/15: Draft a Note to authors of RFC 3023 cc'ing www-tag about concerns regarding charset asking about chances of getting this fixed. (Done)
  2. Completed action RF 2003/09/15: Proposed substitute text in light of previous comments on charset param. (Done)
  3. Comments from Philipp Hoschka about usability issues when user involved in error correction. Is there a new Voice spec out we can point to for example behavior?
  4. Comments from Chris Lilley
  5. Lots of comments from Martin Duerst
  6. Change "MIME headers" to "server metadata" in title?
• Completed action NW, DO 2003/09/08: Produce new draft of Extensibility/Versioning finding (done)

2.3 Findings

See also TAG findings home page.

2.3.1 Draft findings that require more discussion

• xmlIDSemantics-32:
  1. Chris Lilley draft finding.
  2. Action CL 2003/06/30: Revise this draft finding with new input from reviewers.
• contentPresentation-26: Action CL 2003/06/02: Make available a draft finding on content/presentation. From 21 July ftf meeting, revision due 8 August.
• metadataInURI-31: 8 July 2003 draft of "The use of Metadata in URIs"
  • Action SW 2003/07/21: Produce a revision of this finding based on Vancouver ftf meeting discussion.
  • Action DO 2003/07/07: Send rationale about why WSDL WG wants to peek inside the URI.
  • See also TB email on Apple Music Store and use of URI schemes instead of headers
  • See comments from Mark Nottingham and followup from Noah M.
• Draft finding from NW and DO: Versioning XML Languages, 18 Sep draft.

2.3.2 Expected new findings

1. contentPresentation-26: Action CL (and IJ from ftf meeting) 2003/06/02: Make available a draft finding on content/presentation. From 21 July ftf meeting, revision due 8 August.
2. Action IJ 2003/06/09: Turn TB apple story into a finding.

2.4 Issues

The TAG does not expect to discuss these issues at this meeting.

2.4.1 Identifiers (URIEquivalence-15 , IRIEverywhere-27)

• URIEquivalence-15
  • SW proposal: Track RFC2396bis where Tim Bray text has been integrated. Comment within the IETF process. Move this issue to pending state.
• IRIEverywhere-27
  • Action CL 2003/04/07: Revised position statement on use of IRIs.
  • Action TBL 2003/04/28: Explain how existing specifications that handle IRIs are inconsistent. TBL draft not yet available on www-tag.
  • See TB's proposed step forward on IRI 27.

2.4.2 Qnames, fragments, and media types(rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6, fragmentInXML-28, abstractComponentRefs-37, putMediaType-38)

• rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6
  • Action DC 2003/02/06: Propose TAG response to XML Schema desideratum (RQ-23).
• fragmentInXML-28 : Use of fragment identifiers in XML.
  1. Connection to content negotiation?
  2. Connection to opacity of URIs?
  3. No actions associated / no owner.
• abstractComponentRefs-37
  • Action DO 2003/06/23: Point Jonathan Marsh at options. Ask them for their analysis.
• putMediaType-38

2.4.3 New and other Issues requested for discussion. (mixedUIXMLNamespace-33, RDFinXHTML-35, siteData-36 plus possible new issues)

Existing Issues:

• mixedUIXMLNamespace-33
• RDFinXHTML-35
• siteData-36
  • Action TBL 2003/02/24 : Summarize siteData-36

2.4.4 Miscellaneous issues

• namespaceDocument-8
  • Action PC 2003/04/07: Prepare finding to answer this issue, pointing to the RDDL Note. See comments from Paul regarding TB theses. From 21 July ftf meeting, due 31 August.
  • Action PC 2003/09/08: Providing WebArch text as well for this issue.
  • Action TB 2003/09/15: Add "Hello World" example to next draft of RDDL Spec (i.e., to edited version of RDDL draft 4).
  • Action TB 2003/09/15: Produce schemaware for RDDL spec once TAG has consensus on the syntax.
  • Completed action SW 2003/09/16: Ping PC on the status of his actions (Done)
  • Refer to draft TAG opinion from Tim Bray on the use of URNs for namespace names.
• uriMediaType-9
  • IANA appears to have responded to the spirit of this draft (see email from Chris Lilley).What's required to close this issue?
  • Action CL 2003/05/05: Propose CL's three changes to registration process to Ned Freed. [What forum?]
• HTTPSubstrate-16
  • Action RF 2003/02/06: Write a response to IESG asking whether the Web services example in the SOAP 1.2 primer is intended to be excluded from RFC 3205
  • See message from Larry Masinter w.r.t. Web services.
• xlinkScope-23
  • See draft, and SW message to CG chairs.
  • Action CL 2003/06/30: Ping the chairs of those groups asking for an update on xlinkScope-23.
• binaryXML-30
  • Action TB 2003/02/17: Write to www-tag with his thoughts on adding to survey.
  • Action IJ 2003/07/21: Add link from issues list binaryXML-30 to upcoming workshop
  • Next steps to finding? See summary from Chris.
• xmlFunctions-34
  • Action TBL 2003/02/06: State the issue with a reference to XML Core work. See email from TimBL capturing some of the issues.
• charmodReview-17
  1. Action SW 2003/09/08: Follow up with I18N folks on status of TAG's charmod comments.
  2. Mail from DC to I18N WG in light of new Charmod draft
• rdfURIMeaning-39

3. Other actions

• Action IJ 2003/02/06: Modify issues list to show that actions/pending are orthogonal to decisions. PLH has put the issues list in production; see the DOM issues list.