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Results of Questionnaire Release "HTML Design Principles" as a W3C Working Draft?

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This questionnaire was open from 2007-11-02 to 2007-11-09.

60 answers have been received.

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  1. Release "HTML Design Principles" as a W3C Working Draft?

1. Release "HTML Design Principles" as a W3C Working Draft?

Shall we release HTML Design Principles as a W3C Working Draft? Specifically, version 1.18 of 2007-11-02 13:48:38 plus any publication-related changes (e.g. status section, typos, broken links) agreed by one of the editors (Maciej Stachowiak, Anne van Kesteren) and one of the co-chairs (Dan Connolly and Chris Wilson).

See also Results of a recent survey which shows considerable support for publication.

If you're not familiar with the process of Working Draft publication, see the list of W3C working drafts, section 7.4.1 First Public Working Draft of the Process document, and the heartbeat requirement.

Section 3.3 Consensus in the W3C process defines consensus as a "substantial number" in support of a proposal and no formal objections. In this survey, you may indicate disagreement without formally objecting. An individual who registers a Formal Objection should cite technical arguments and propose changes that would remove the Formal Objection. Please put your arguments (or a pointer to your arguments) in the rationale field.


ChoiceAll responders
Yes, agree 51
Abstain 4
No, disagree 2
Formally Object 1

(2 responses didn't contain an answer to this question)


Responder Release "HTML Design Principles" as a W3C Working Draft?RationaleComments
Google, Inc. (Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>) Yes, agree I would like us to add the Baby Steps principle too, as I said in: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/dprv/results
Opera Software AS (Anne van Kesteren <annevk@annevk.nl>) Yes, agree
Mozilla Foundation (Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>) Yes, agree
Mitsue-Links Co., Ltd. (Masataka Yakura <jeremie+myakura2@w3.org>) Yes, agree
mTLD Top Level Domain Limited (Stephen Stewart <sstewart@mtld.mobi>) Yes, agree
Disruptive Innovations (Daniel Glazman <daniel.glazman@disruptive-innovations.com>) Yes, agree
W3C Invited Experts
Microsoft Corp. (Chris Wilson <cwilso@google.com>) Yes, agree
International Webmasters Association (IWA) (Pasquale Popolizio <p.popolizio@webprofession.com>) Yes, agree
Invited Experts without Member Access
Dylan Smith (Dylan Smith <qstage@cox.net>) Yes, agree
Arjan Eising (Arjan Eising <arjan@arjaneising.nl>) Yes, agree
Michael Puls II (Michael Puls II <shadow2531@gmail.com>) Yes, agree
Henk-Jan de Boer (Henk-Jan de Boer <html-wg@hjdeboer.nl>) Yes, agree
Arne Johannessen (Arne Johannessen <arne@thaw.de>) Yes, agree
Danny Liang (Danny Liang <danny.glue@gmail.com>) Yes, agree
Marc Drumm (Marc Drumm <mdrumm@wcupa.edu>) Yes, agree
Rick Mans (Rick Mans <rickmans@gmail.com>) Yes, agree
Theresa O'Connor (Theresa O'Connor <eoconnor@apple.com>) Yes, agree
Daniel Schattenkirchner (Daniel Schattenkirchner <schattenkirchner.daniel@gmx.de>) Yes, agree
Dominik Tomaszuk (Dominik Tomaszuk <deres@o2.pl>) Abstain I do not have opinion.
Sander van Lambalgen (Sander van Lambalgen <w3c@have-skill.com>) Yes, agree
Dannii Willis (Dannii Willis <curiousdannii@gmail.com>) Yes, agree
Marghanita da Cruz (Marghanita da Cruz <marghanita@ramin.com.au>) No, disagree Anne van Kesteren wrote:
> The other thing that seems a bit weird about the current document is
> that two principles cover several paragraphs where the others are just a
> few sentences. I don't think this is problematic though and I suppose we
> can always fix that if desired in an update of the document.

Another inconsistency in the document is the use of examples. Examples do help the reader understand the intent of the principles and it would
be useful to identify an application of each principle (perhaps in the move from HTML3.2 to HTML4).

Note, I have commented previously that, the example for supporting existing content (the syntactically incorrect html), seems to me, to be more an application of degrading gracefully.

Perhaps editing the principles down to one page/10 principles would make them more useful ie

* 1. Support Existing Content
* 2. Degrade Gracefully/Handle Errors
* 3. Do not Reinvent the Wheel/Pave Cowpaths/Evolution not revolution
* 4. Solve Real Problem/ Priority of Constituencies/Support World Languages
* 5. Secure By Design
* 6. Separation of Concerns
* 7. DOM Consistency
* 8. Well-defined Behavior
* 9. Avoid Needless Complexity
* 10. Media Independence/Accessibility
Philip Taylor (Philip Taylor <excors@gmail.com>) Yes, agree
Marek Pawlowski (Marek Pawlowski <marekp.w3c@gmail.com>) Yes, agree Lot of work has been done. Let's inform people about it. Feedback is very important.
Raphael Champeimont (Raphael Champeimont <almacha@almacha.org>) Yes, agree
Stephen Axthelm (Stephen Axthelm <steveax@pobox.com>) Yes, agree
Ben Boyle (Ben Boyle <benjamins.boyle@gmail.com>) Yes, agree
Robert Marshall (Robert Marshall <rdm@rdmsoft.com>) Yes, agree
Michaeljohn Clement (Michaeljohn Clement <mj@mjclement.com>) Yes, agree
Philip TAYLOR (Philip TAYLOR <P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk>) Formally Object No, the Design Principles as currently formulated make reference
to putative HTML 5 elements about which there is widespread
disagreement (<i> and (b>, to name but two). The Design Principles
should be cast in abstract language so as not to appear to lend
support to any particular putative HTML 5 feature, element,
attribute, etc.
Doug Wright (Doug Wright <douglas.wright@pre-school.org.uk>) Yes, agree
Thomas Broyer (Thomas Broyer <t.broyer@ltgt.net>) Abstain I haven't even read it in details.
Shunsuke Kurumatani (Shunsuke Kurumatani <kurumatani.shunsuke@lab.ntt.co.jp>) Yes, agree
Brad Fults (Brad Fults <bfults@gmail.com>) Yes, agree Release early and often.
Asbjørn Ulsberg (Asbjørn Ulsberg <asbjorn@ulsberg.no>) Yes, agree
Shawn Medero (Shawn Medero <smedero@uw.edu>) Yes, agree This document is certainly ready for Working Draft status... we need to let the public (those who are bit too busy to mine a 1000 emails) know what we are up to.
Arthur Jennings (Arthur Jennings <arthur.jennings@gmail.com>) Yes, agree
David Håsäther (David Håsäther <hasather@gmail.com>) Yes, agree
James Graham (James Graham <james@hoppipolla.co.uk>) Yes, agree
Cameron McCormack (Cameron McCormack <cam@mcc.id.au>) Yes, agree
Julian Reschke (Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>) Yes, agree
Jens Oliver Meiert (Jens Oliver Meiert <jens@meiert.com>) Yes, agree
Steve Faulkner (Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>) Yes, agree
Roy Fielding (Roy Fielding <fielding@gbiv.com>) Abstain The document doesn't seem to understand the differences among design principles, requirements, constraints, and properties of the resulting artifact. But that can be worked on in future drafts.
Geoffrey Sneddon ( <>) Yes, agree
Sean Fraser (Sean Fraser <wileyluxe@gmail.com>) Yes, agree
Bill Mason (Bill Mason <billm@accessibleinter.net>) Yes, agree
John-Mark Bell (John-Mark Bell <jmb@netsurf-browser.org>) Yes, agree
Weston Ruter (Weston Ruter <westonruter@gmail.com>) Yes, agree
David Andersson (David Andersson <liorean@gmail.com>) Yes, agree
Tim McMahon (Tim McMahon <tmcmahon@elevenlimited.com>) Yes, agree
David Dailey (David Dailey <david.dailey@sru.edu>) No, disagree While it has been argued that these Design Principles may serve to present needless reiteration of previous discussions, I have not seen any evidence that they do. I have merely observed a large amount of time spent debating them (reiteratively), absent final "consensus" (to use the vernacular sense of the term), in the end. I have seen, on several occasions, design principles misused (even prior to their "approval") to quash dissent, and fear the same being done again. I strongly feel that, if recommended by the W3C, they are in need of a very strong disclaimer about their limitations, the presence of strongly felt dissent, the potential impossibility of consistent implementation of them, examples of proper and improper applications of them, and a need for a periodic and systematic review of the principles as well as the methodology for their debate and approval. In the long run, the tyranny of the majority, that the climate surrounding their debate fostered, had a chilling effect on the group overall. The humor with which I raised my original objections has largely vanished, but my opposition to them has not. It is not so much the individual principles (which I chose not to vote on for various reasons in October) but the whole package that troubles me. Collectively, they seem rather like the Galactic Federation posting a note on a nearby planet that your own planet is soon to be destroyed. But then, I can be a pessimist at times.
Josh Lawton (Josh Lawton <w3c@joshlawton.com>) Yes, agree
Ben Millard (Ben Millard <cerbera@projectcerbera.com>) Abstain Each conversation where I've seen these principles used has got bogged down in debating the principles instead of resolving the issue. In these cases, the document was counter-productive. On the other hand, there are several Participants who are adamant about us needing it. So I don't know what to do.
Laura Carlson (Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>) Yes, agree Thank you for removing the escape clause of "when possible" from the accessibility principle and making it a principle in its own right, as well as splitting up the aspects of universality.

There is still much work to do on this document (see my comments from the last survey on the subject [1]). But this is progress.

Dimitri Glazkov (Dimitri Glazkov <dglazkov@google.com>) Yes, agree It's good enough. Trying to refine it any further will be an exercise in demagogy.
Erik van Kempen (Erik van Kempen <erikvankempen@gmail.com>) Yes, agree
Gregory Rosmaita (Gregory Rosmaita <gregory.rosmaita@gmail.com>) Yes, agree although i still think that accessibility, interoperability and internationalization deserve a mention in Section 2.1, "Support Existing Content", as indicated in:


i do thank the editors for adding

The top user agents designed to meet specific needs or address specialized markets, such as assistive technologies, mobile browsers or user agents targeting less typical media such as text-only terminals or print.

to Section 2.2. and appreciate the collaborative effort at strengthening Section 5.
i also think that Marghanita da Cruz's comments in response to this survey should be considered seriously by the editors, chairs, and working group, and i, like several other responders, am eager to receive feedback from a wider audience.

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  1. SAP SE: Mark Crawford <mark.crawford@sap.com>,Stefan Schnabel <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>
  2. Hachette Livre: Gabino Alonso <gabinovincent@gmail.com>,Sam Langdon <sam.langdon@hachette.co.uk>
  3. Huawei: Wu Chou <wu.chou@huawei.com>,GANG LIANG <gang.liang@huawei.com>,Alex Giladi <alex.giladi@huawei.com>,Milan Patel <Milan.Patel@huawei.com>,Hao Jing <jh.jinghao@huawei.com>
  4. Deque Systems, Inc.: Preety Kumar <preety.kumar@deque.com>,John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
  5. Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute (ETRI): Kangchan Lee <chan@w3.org>,Jonathan Jeon <hollobit@etri.re.kr>,WonSuk Lee <wonsuk.lee@etri.re.kr>,jongyoul Park <jongyoul@etri.re.kr>
  6. Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA): Eric VonColln <eric.voncolln@navy.mil>
  7. Igalia: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
  8. Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.: Youngsun Ryu <ysryu@samsung.com>,Jungkee Song <jungkee.song@samsung.com>
  9. Nippon Telegraph & Telephone Corp. (NTT): Kensaku KOMATSU <kensaku.komatsu@gmail.com>,Youichi Takashima <takashima.youichi@lab.ntt.co.jp>
  10. Fraunhofer Gesellschaft: Stefan Kaiser <stefan.kaiser@fokus.fraunhofer.de>,Stefan Pham <stefan.pham@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
  11. Skynav, Inc.: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>
  12. Newphoria Corporation: Futomi Hatano <futomi.hatano@newphoria.co.jp>
  13. Mitsubishi Electric Corporation: Akira Torii <Torii.Akira@bp.MitsubishiElectric.co.jp>,Yusuke Yokosuka <Yokosuka.Yusuke@bx.MitsubishiElectric.co.jp>,Seiji Okumura <Okumura.Seiji@bc.MitsubishiElectric.co.jp>,Eiji Yamamoto <Yamamoto.Eiji@db.MitsubishiElectric.co.jp>
  14. Verimatrix, Inc.: Petr Peterka <ppeterka@verimatrix.com>,Tom Handal <thandal@verimatrix.com>,Niels Thorwirth <nthorwirth@verimatrix.com>
  15. National Association of Broadcasters: So Vang <svang@nab.org>
  16. W3C Staff:
  17. The Paciello Group, LLC: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>,Patrick Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk>
  18. MITRE Corporation: Stanley Manoski <manoski@mitre.org>
  19. Cable Television Laboratories Inc: Bob Lund <b.lund@cablelabs.com>,Clarke Stevens <c.stevens@cablelabs.com>
  20. Pearson plc: Suzanne Taylor <Suzanne.Taylor@pearson.com>,Greg Davis <greg.davis@pearson.com>
  21. Sony Corporation: Tatsuya Igarashi <Tatsuya.Igarashi@sony.com>,Motomasa Futagami <Motomasa.Futagami@jp.sony.com>,Norifumi Kikkawa <norifumi.kikkawa@jp.sony.com>,Kazuhiko Takabayashi <kazuhiko.takabayashi@jp.sony.com>,Shinya Maruyama <Shinya.Maruyama@jp.sony.com>
  22. Inswave Systems Co., Ltd.: WOOGLAE KIM <wlkim@inswave.com>
  23. MovieLabs: James Helman <jhelman@movielabs.com>,Pierre-Anthony Lemieux <pal@sandflow.com>
  24. Center for Mathematics and Computer Science (CWI): Jack Jansen <jack@cwi.nl>,Steven Pemberton <Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl>
  25. Orange: Mohammed DADAS <mohammed.dadas@orange.com>,Arnaud Braud <arnaud.braud@orange.com>,Pascal Perrot <pascal.perrot@orange.com>
  26. Netflix Inc.: Mark Watson <watsonm@netflix.com>,Mick Hakobyan <mhakobyan@netflix.com>
  27. JS Foundation: Brian Kardell <hitchjs@gmail.com>
  28. HTML5 Converged Technology Forum: Hyejin Lee <hjlee@html5forum.or.kr>
  29. Royal National Institute of Blind People (RNIB): Sally Cain <sally.cain@rnib.org.uk>
  30. Comcast Corporation: Mark Vickers <mark_vickers@comcast.com>,Jeremy LaCivita <jeremy.lacivita@comcast.com>,David Mays <david_mays@comcast.com>,Michael Chen <michael_chen@comcast.com>,Patrick Ladd <Pat_Ladd2@comcast.com>,Glenn Deen <glenn.deen@nbcuni.com>,John Riviello <john_riviello@comcast.com>,Rustam Khashimkhodjaev <Rustam_Khashimkhodjaev@comcast.com>,Richard Grzeczkowski <richard_grzeczkowski@comcast.com>,Cory Heslip <cory_heslip@comcast.com>,Ali C. Begen <ali_begen@comcast.com>
  31. British Broadcasting Corporation: David Evans <david.evans@rd.bbc.co.uk>
  32. Alibaba Group: Dapeng Liu <max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com>,Shaohang Yang <shaohang.ysh@alibaba-inc.com>
  33. Apple, Inc.: Chris Marrin <cmarrin@apple.com>,David Singer <singer@apple.com>,David Hyatt <hyatt@apple.com>,Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>,Adele Peterson <adele@apple.com>,Theresa O'Connor <eoconnor@apple.com>,Samuel Weinig <weinig@apple.com>,Alexey Proskuryakov <ap@webkit.org>,Eric Carlson <eric.carlson@apple.com>,Dean Jackson <dino@apple.com>,James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>,Jer Noble <jer.noble@apple.com>,Joseph Pecoraro <pecoraro@apple.com>,Brady Eidson <beidson@apple.com>,Ryosuke Niwa <rniwa@apple.com>
  34. Educational Testing Service: Markku Hakkinen <mhakkinen@ets.org>,Jason White <jjwhite@ets.org>
  35. European Broadcasting Union (EBU-UER): Jean-Pierre EVAIN <evain@ebu.ch>,Bram Tullemans <tullemans@ebu.ch>
  36. Electronic Frontier Foundation: Danny O'Brien <danny@eff.org>,Seth Schoen <schoen@eff.org>
  37. Yandex: Charles McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex.ru>
  38. Rakuten,Inc.: Kunio Ito <kunio.ito@mail.rakuten.com>
  39. Web3D Consortium: Don Brutzman <brutzman@nps.edu>
  40. ERICSSON: Magnus Olsson <magnus.olsson@ericsson.com>,Per-Erik Brodin <per-erik.brodin@ericsson.com>
  41. NIC.br - Brazilian Network Information Center: Reinaldo Ferraz <reinaldo@nic.br>,Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício <nathalia@nic.br>
  42. Baidu, Inc.: Eva Lingyun Jing <jinglingyun@baidu.com>,Xingrong Guo <guoxingrong@baidu.com>,Rayi Lei <leiyi@baidu.com>,jiexuan gao <gaojiexuan@baidu.com>,Xiaoqing Yang <yangxiaoqing@baidu.com>,Xuejian Li <lixuejian@baidu.com>,Zuncheng Yang <yangzuncheng@baidu.com>,Qianglong Zheng <zhengqianglong@baidu.com>,Zhou Shen <shenzhou@baidu.com>,Duoyi Wu <wuduoyi@baidu.com>,Zheng Jia <jiazheng@baidu.com>,Weifeng Feng <fengweifeng@baidu.com>,Damin Hu <hudamin@baidu.com>,Yang Liu <liuyang12@baidu.com>,Zhixing Lei <leizhixing@baidu.com>,Honggang Tang <tanghonggang@baidu.com>,Kefeng Li <buaadallas@gmail.com>,Xu Ma <maxu@baidu.com>,Junzhong Liu <liujunzhong@baidu.com>,lei wang <wanglei03@baidu.com>,Yiling Gu <guyiling@baidu.com>,Zefa Xiong <xiongzefa@baidu.com>,shanglin chen <chenshanglin@baidu.com>,Ping Wu <wuping02@baidu.com>,Bin Chen <chenbin01@baidu.com>,Lei Wang <wanglei@baidu.com>,Pengcheng Guo <guopengcheng@baidu.com>,Xie Jianhui <xiejianhui@baidu.com>,Yujie Jiang <jiangyujie@baidu.com>,Chris Wong <huanghoujin@baidu.com>,Yiliang LIU <liuyiliang@baidu.com>,mingqiang zhang <imcnan@gmail.com>,xueliang fan <fanxueliang@baidu.com>,Yue Min <minyue@baidu.com>,Min Li <limin04@baidu.com>,yaolong wang <wangyaolong@baidu.com>,Tao Liang <liangtao01@baidu.com>
  43. Tencent: smallni ding <smallniding@tencent.com>,Min Ren <minren@tencent.com>,qigang huang <qiganghuang@tencent.com>
  44. Adobe Systems Inc.: Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com>,Roy Fielding <fielding@gbiv.com>,Joe Steele <steele@adobe.com>,Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>,Raul Hudea <rhudea@adobe.com>,Raghavan Gurumurthy <raghavan@adobe.com>,Mayank Kumar <mayankk@adobe.com>,Dragos Georgita <dgeorgit@adobe.com>,Christopher Bank <cbank@adobe.com>,Kevin Streeter <kstreete@adobe.com>,Michael Thornburgh <mthornbu@adobe.com>,Glenn Eguchi <geguchi@adobe.com>
  45. IBM Corporation: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>,Masatomo Kobayashi <mstm@jp.ibm.com>
  46. Justin Anthony Knapp <justinkoavf@gmail.com>
  47. David Bills <w3@dfbills.com>
  48. Ole Riesenberg <or@oleriesenberg.com>
  49. Ian Devlin <ian@iandevlin.com>
  50. Simon Myers <Smylers@stripey.com>
  51. Nik Thierry <me@thisemail.ca>
  52. Robert Stern <rstern@gmail.com>
  53. Hasan Savran <hsavran@kent.edu>
  54. Jonathan Neal <jonathantneal@gmail.com>
  55. Jirka Kosek <jirka@kosek.cz>
  56. Alejandro Fernandez <alejandro@mediadvanced.com>
  57. Andrew Ramsden <andrew@irama.org>
  58. Eihab Ibrahim <eihabibrahim@gmail.com>
  59. Deborah Dahl <dahl@conversational-technologies.com>
  60. Doug Jones <doug_b_jones@me.com>
  61. Shefik Macauley <allknightaccess@gmail.com>
  62. Pedro Xavier Jorge <pedro.xavierjorge@gmail.com>
  63. Sierk Bornemann <sierkb@gmail.com>
  64. John Vernaleo <john@netpurgatory.com>
  65. Greg Johnson <greg.johnson@gmail.com>
  66. Patrick D F Ion <pion@umich.edu>
  67. Robert Accettura <robert@accettura.com>
  68. Krijn Hoetmer <w3c@qontent.nl>
  69. Jeremy Keith <jeremy@adactio.com>
  70. Martijn Croonen <martijn@martijnc.be>
  71. Channy Yun <channy@gmail.com>
  72. Jedi Lin <JediLin@Gmail.com>
  73. Vladimir Sinelnikov <sinelnikov@gmail.com>
  74. Vicente García Díaz <vicegd@live.com>
  75. Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo <emmanuelle@sidar.org>
  76. Shane Thacker <shanethacker@gmail.com>
  77. Ron Reisor <ron@udel.edu>
  78. Jon Hughes <jon@phazm.com>
  79. Lukáš Čihák <lukas.cihak@mensa.cz>
  80. David Carlisle <davidc@nag.co.uk>
  81. David MacDonald <David100@sympatico.ca>
  82. Vilem Malek <murphy@malek.cz>
  83. Marat Tanalin <mtanalin@yandex.ru>
  84. Samuel Santos <samaxes@gmail.com>
  85. Grzegorz Babula <gbabula@gmail.com>
  86. Zhihong Mao <zhihong.mao@gmail.com>
  87. Craig Buckler <craigbuckler@gmail.com>
  88. Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
  89. Benoit Piette <benoit.piette@gmail.com>
  90. Dale Hudjik <dale.hudjik@gmail.com>
  91. James Cassell <w3c@cyberpear.com>
  92. Alvar Laigna <laigna@gmail.com>
  93. Nick Fitzsimons <w3@nickfitz.co.uk>
  94. Joseph D'Andrea <jdandrea@gmail.com>
  95. Matt Lee <mattl@cnuk.org>
  96. Joseph Karr O'Connor <josephoconnor@mac.com>
  97. Tomas Caspers <tomas@tomascaspers.de>
  98. Don Kiely <donkiely@computer.org>
  99. Yusuke Kagiwada <block.rxckin.beats@gmail.com>
  100. Han Xu <collin@w3china.org>
  101. S Emerson <w3c@accretewebsolutions.ca>
  102. David Child <dave@addedbytes.com>
  103. Martin McEvoy <martin@weborganics.co.uk>
  104. Mark DuBois <Mark@webprofessionals.org>
  105. Anders Bondehagen <anders@bondehagen.com>
  106. Gian Luca Marroni <gmarroni@libero.it>
  107. Jim Walsh <jim@jwalshcreative.com>

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