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This questionnaire was open from 2008-05-16 to 2008-05-26.
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Shall we release HTML 5 as a W3C Working Draft? Specifically, Ian Hickson and Mike Smith will choose between v1.822 (Fri May 16 01:19:39 2008) and any later revisions from the editors this week.
Choice | All responders |
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Results | |
Yes, agree | 76 |
No, disagree | 2 |
Abstain | 2 |
Formally Object |
Responder | Release updated "HTML 5" specification as a W3C Working Draft? | Rationale | Comments |
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James Graham (James Graham) | Yes, agree | ||
James Cassell (James Cassell) | Yes, agree | ||
Krijn Hoetmer (Krijn Hoetmer) | Yes, agree | ||
Mateo Yadarola (Mateo Yadarola) | Yes, agree | ||
Theresa O'Connor (Theresa O'Connor) | Yes, agree | I'd be OK with this automatically happening every 3 months. | |
Oxford Brookes University (Bob Hopgood) | Abstain | ||
Shawn Medero (Shawn Medero) | Yes, agree | We need to publish regularly to not only satisfy the "heartbeat" requirement on paper but the spirit of what the heartbeat sets out to accomplish - to keep the public regularly informed as to our progress and use the additional attention a working draft garners to gather feedback from interested parties. | |
Scott Lewis (Scott Lewis) | Yes, agree | ||
Shane Thacker (Shane Thacker) | Yes, agree | ||
Joseph D'Andrea (Joseph D'Andrea) | Yes, agree | ||
Daniel Schattenkirchner (Daniel Schattenkirchner) | Yes, agree | ||
Brad Fults (Brad Fults) | Yes, agree | Moving the process along is crucial to its chances of eventual success. | |
Josh Fremer (Josh Fremer) | Yes, agree | ||
Jirka Kosek (Jirka Kosek) | Yes, agree | ||
Channy Yun (Channy Yun) | Yes, agree | ||
Justin James (Justin James) | Yes, agree | We're supposed to have published by now. | |
Apple Inc. (Maciej Stachowiak) | Yes, agree | We need to keep up the heartbeat requirement. | |
Sam Johnston (Sam Johnston) | Yes, agree | Publicity should garner more attention and input, and we're at a good point in the browser (eg Firefox) development cycle - a major release beta. | |
Jon Barnett (Jon Barnett) | Yes, agree | Yes, HTML 5 is in a working web-compatible state and it useful as a draft. If Web Forms 2 is to be incorporated into HTML 5, however, either the Draft should link to the Web Forms 2 draft with a note that the two are part of the same work, or Web Forms 2 should just be incorporated into HTML 5 now. Without Web Forms 2, you're missing a large chunk of the story of HTML 5. | |
Bill Mason (Bill Mason) | Yes, agree | ||
Patrick Taylor (Patrick Taylor) | Yes, agree | ||
Mozilla Foundation (Jonas Sicking) | Yes, agree | ||
David Muschiol (David Muschiol) | Yes, agree | ||
Michael Puls II (Michael Puls II) | Yes, agree | ||
Josh Lawton (Josh Lawton) | Yes, agree | ||
Arthur Jennings (Arthur Jennings) | Yes, agree | ||
Samuel Santos (Samuel Santos) | Yes, agree | ||
Danny Liang (Danny Liang) | Yes, agree | ||
Ryan King (Ryan King) | Yes, agree | Significant progress has been made and the WG should do its best to follow the heartbeat requirement. | |
Andrew Sidwell (Andrew Sidwell) | Yes, agree | ||
Ben Millard (Ben Millard) | Yes, agree | * Meet the heartbeat requirement. * Confirm that HTMLWG is productive. * Show all the improvements which have been made. | |
Stephen Axthelm (Stephen Axthelm) | Yes, agree | ||
Cameron McCormack (Cameron McCormack) | Yes, agree | ||
Ehsan Akhgari (Ehsan Akhgari) | Yes, agree | ||
Weston Ruter (Weston Ruter) | Yes, agree | ||
Ben Boyle (Ben Boyle) | Yes, agree | They're drafts! Keep publishing, quite a bit of progress has been made since the last publication, so we should formalise that (the release cycle) so those outside the WG (who may only watch the draft releases) can see there is progress. | |
Raphael Champeimont (Raphael Champeimont) | Yes, agree | ||
Doug Jones (Doug Jones) | Yes, agree | ||
Dan Smith (Dan Smith) | Yes, agree | ||
Dannii Willis (Dannii Willis) | Yes, agree | ||
Terry Morris (Terry Morris) | Yes, agree | It meets the heartbeat requirement and shows the progress of the group. | |
Opera Software AS (Anne van Kesteren) | Yes, agree | ||
Guillaume Guérin (Guillaume Guérin) | Yes, agree | ||
Robert Marshall (Robert Marshall) | Yes, agree | ||
David Håsäther (David Håsäther) | Yes, agree | ||
Simon Myers (Simon Myers) | Yes, agree | ||
Alfonso Martínez de Lizarrondo (Alfonso Martínez de Lizarrondo) | Yes, agree | ||
Mitsue-Links Co., Ltd. (Masataka Yakura) | Yes, agree | ||
Chasen Le Hara (Chasen Le Hara) | Yes, agree | ||
Doug Wright (Doug Wright) | Yes, agree | ||
Jürgen Jeka (Jürgen Jeka) | Yes, agree | ||
Benjamin Meadowcroft (Benjamin Meadowcroft) | Yes, agree | Releasing the working draft should prompt more feedback from the web development community that will prove beneficial. Especially given the number of changes that are being proposed. | |
Matthew Raymond (Matthew Raymond) | Yes, agree | ||
Alex Robinson (Alex Robinson) | Yes, agree | ||
Nokia Corporation (Mikko Honkala) | Yes, agree | I hope we can also release a human readable diff document comparing this release to the earlier WD. This can be automatically generated, of course. An example of such a diff doc is here: http://tinyurl.com/5xvn58 . | |
Google LLC (Jens Oliver Meiert) | Yes, agree | I was the one to suggest it. :-) | |
Joshue O'Connor (Joshue O'Connor) | Yes, agree | ||
Olivier Gendrin (Olivier Gendrin) | Yes, agree | ||
AOL LLC (Robert Gonia) | Yes, agree | ||
Kornel Lesinski (Kornel Lesinski) | Yes, agree | ||
Shunsuke Kurumatani (Shunsuke Kurumatani) | Yes, agree | ||
Sierk Bornemann (Sierk Bornemann) | Yes, agree | ||
International Webmasters Association (IWA) (Pasquale Popolizio) | Yes, agree | ||
Andrew Stibbard (Andrew Stibbard) | Yes, agree | ||
Tommaso Donnarumma (Tommaso Donnarumma) | Yes, agree | ||
W3C/Americas (Dan Connolly) | Yes, agree | ||
Sam Sneddon | Yes, agree | ||
Boeing Company (Scott Vesey) | Yes, agree | ||
Sean Fraser (Sean Fraser) | Yes, agree | ||
Jeffrey Sambells (Jeffrey Sambells) | Yes, agree | ||
Dean Edridge (Dean Edridge) | Yes, agree | ||
University of Innsbruck DUPLICATE (Alexander Graf) | Yes, agree | Yes, in order to comply with the Heartbeat requirements. | |
Disruptive Innovations (Daniel Glazman) | Yes, agree | I think the whole @alt discussion is a very bad signal for this specification. I have discussed with a few accessibility experts who are VERY skeptical about html5 to say the least... I would say that html5 has to be published as a draft to show there's progress being done, but I'm not sure I like the way important technical decisions are made. I'm not even sure any more about the so-called backwards-compatibility mentioned in the intro of the document. I'm not even sure html5 is "a new version of html4 and xhtml1"... | |
Laura Carlson (Laura Carlson) | Yes, agree | Although the process has not embraced consensus building and I do not agree with some of the content in the current draft, attempting to block publication is not a productive action at this time. Public review and comment from outside the Working Group are vitally needed and should be vigorously sought, especially in regard to accessibility features being dropped or changed. | |
Orange (Stéphane Deschamps) | Yes, agree | ||
Julian Reschke (Julian Reschke) | Yes, agree | ||
Patrick Lauke (Patrick Lauke) | Yes, agree | ||
Microsoft Corporation (Chris Wilson) | Abstain | Though in general I approve of the heartbeat, as I expressed before due to the IP effect of FPWD, I'd prefer to delay this until that clock runs out in June. I also noted that editor's drafts are publicly available. | I also think the "a better version of this is available from the WHATWG" line should be stripped from the HTML WG version. |
Robert Burns (Robert Burns) | No, disagree | I think the next draft should add significant new features (e.g., Ruby), even if only in a skeletal form so that the public understands the document is not only be fine-tuned. | |
Gregory Rosmaita (Gregory Rosmaita) | No, disagree | i continue to be disappointed that the drafting process for HTML5 has not fully embraced consensus building; i also have serious reservations about some of the content of the current editor's draft -- and even more concern over the lack of content in the current draft, such as information about forms in HTML5 and working semantics/equivalence for CANVAS; i also realize, that attempting to block publication will not be interpreted as a "productive action"; however, given the overwhelming number of "Yes, I Agrees" already logged, there is no reason why i shouldn't use my vote to log my STRONG preference for waiting until the end of the june heartbeat requirement period to publish so that the editors have time to incorporate more WG-generated content into the HTML5 draft... | re: forms - if there is to be no hybrid of WF2 and XForms nor "common architectural model", is it time for the WG to to consider either voting on support for both, or for XForms Transitional? |
Shall we release an update of HTML 5 differences from HTML 4 along with the HTML 5 specification as a W3C Working Draft? Specifically, revision 1.42 of May 15 16:03:36 2008 UTC plus any publication-related changes agreed by Anne van Kesteren and Mike Smith.
Choice | All responders |
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Results | |
Yes, agree | 72 |
Abstain | 6 |
No, disagree | 2 |
Formally Object |
Responder | Release "HTML 5 differences from HTML 4" specification as a W3C Working Draft as well? | Rationale | Comments |
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James Graham (James Graham) | Yes, agree | ||
James Cassell (James Cassell) | Yes, agree | ||
Krijn Hoetmer (Krijn Hoetmer) | Yes, agree | ||
Mateo Yadarola (Mateo Yadarola) | Yes, agree | ||
Theresa O'Connor (Theresa O'Connor) | Yes, agree | ||
Oxford Brookes University (Bob Hopgood) | Abstain | ||
Shawn Medero (Shawn Medero) | Yes, agree | The new version includes a helpful changelog of recent improvements to the specification since the last working draft was published. It'll provides a way to narrow down sections of the new working draft that should be more closely scrutinized. | |
Scott Lewis (Scott Lewis) | Yes, agree | ||
Shane Thacker (Shane Thacker) | Yes, agree | ||
Joseph D'Andrea (Joseph D'Andrea) | Yes, agree | ||
Daniel Schattenkirchner (Daniel Schattenkirchner) | Yes, agree | ||
Brad Fults (Brad Fults) | Yes, agree | This document helps potential authors and implementors alike when paired with the HTML 5 spec. | |
Josh Fremer (Josh Fremer) | Yes, agree | this is a useful memo which should be officially maintained by the W3C. Keeping a current official working draft will encourage the community to refer directly to W3C materials instead of third-party "synopses" | |
Jirka Kosek (Jirka Kosek) | Yes, agree | ||
Channy Yun (Channy Yun) | Yes, agree | ||
Justin James (Justin James) | Yes, agree | It is helpful for people to see the differences. | |
Apple Inc. (Maciej Stachowiak) | Yes, agree | ||
Sam Johnston (Sam Johnston) | Yes, agree | This document is useful for newcomers and developers alike, and should help both enable users to provide relevant feedback and prepare developers for the release. | |
Jon Barnett (Jon Barnett) | Abstain | ||
Bill Mason (Bill Mason) | Yes, agree | ||
Patrick Taylor (Patrick Taylor) | Yes, agree | ||
Mozilla Foundation (Jonas Sicking) | Yes, agree | ||
David Muschiol (David Muschiol) | Yes, agree | ||
Michael Puls II (Michael Puls II) | Yes, agree | ||
Josh Lawton (Josh Lawton) | Yes, agree | ||
Arthur Jennings (Arthur Jennings) | Yes, agree | ||
Samuel Santos (Samuel Santos) | Yes, agree | ||
Danny Liang (Danny Liang) | Yes, agree | ||
Ryan King (Ryan King) | Abstain | ||
Andrew Sidwell (Andrew Sidwell) | Yes, agree | ||
Ben Millard (Ben Millard) | Yes, agree | * Introduces HTML5 to developers familiar with HTML4 or XHTML1. * Has been updated to match the changes in HTML5, so it's relevant again. | |
Stephen Axthelm (Stephen Axthelm) | Yes, agree | ||
Cameron McCormack (Cameron McCormack) | Yes, agree | ||
Ehsan Akhgari (Ehsan Akhgari) | Yes, agree | ||
Weston Ruter (Weston Ruter) | Yes, agree | ||
Ben Boyle (Ben Boyle) | Yes, agree | The differences doc and the spec should always be released together, if possible. | |
Raphael Champeimont (Raphael Champeimont) | Yes, agree | ||
Doug Jones (Doug Jones) | Yes, agree | ||
Dan Smith (Dan Smith) | Yes, agree | ||
Dannii Willis (Dannii Willis) | Yes, agree | ||
Terry Morris (Terry Morris) | Yes, agree | ||
Opera Software AS (Anne van Kesteren) | Yes, agree | I (Anne, not Opera) will make sure that the comments regarding changes in the HTML5 draft that I missed will be addressed before publication. | |
Guillaume Guérin (Guillaume Guérin) | Yes, agree | ||
Robert Marshall (Robert Marshall) | Yes, agree | ||
David Håsäther (David Håsäther) | Yes, agree | ||
Simon Myers (Simon Myers) | Yes, agree | ||
Alfonso Martínez de Lizarrondo (Alfonso Martínez de Lizarrondo) | Yes, agree | ||
Mitsue-Links Co., Ltd. (Masataka Yakura) | Yes, agree | ||
Chasen Le Hara (Chasen Le Hara) | Yes, agree | ||
Doug Wright (Doug Wright) | Yes, agree | ||
Jürgen Jeka (Jürgen Jeka) | Yes, agree | ||
Benjamin Meadowcroft (Benjamin Meadowcroft) | Yes, agree | ||
Matthew Raymond (Matthew Raymond) | Yes, agree | ||
Alex Robinson (Alex Robinson) | Yes, agree | ||
Nokia Corporation (Mikko Honkala) | Yes, agree | ||
Google LLC (Jens Oliver Meiert) | Yes, agree | If the document's editor wants to publish it, I'm happy to support such publication. | |
Joshue O'Connor (Joshue O'Connor) | Yes, agree | ||
Olivier Gendrin (Olivier Gendrin) | Yes, agree | ||
AOL LLC (Robert Gonia) | Yes, agree | ||
Kornel Lesinski (Kornel Lesinski) | Abstain | There are only minor changes since the last draft. Rationale for absence of many attributes is still very brief. | |
Shunsuke Kurumatani (Shunsuke Kurumatani) | Yes, agree | ||
Sierk Bornemann (Sierk Bornemann) | Yes, agree | ||
International Webmasters Association (IWA) (Pasquale Popolizio) | Yes, agree | ||
Andrew Stibbard (Andrew Stibbard) | Yes, agree | Lists <font> as available for WYSIWYG editors (removed from spec 29/4/08). I'd like to give tool developers as much notice as possible since it could involve significant UI and code-generation changes. | |
Tommaso Donnarumma (Tommaso Donnarumma) | Yes, agree | ||
W3C/Americas (Dan Connolly) | Yes, agree | ||
Sam Sneddon | Yes, agree | ||
Boeing Company (Scott Vesey) | Yes, agree | ||
Sean Fraser (Sean Fraser) | Yes, agree | ||
Jeffrey Sambells (Jeffrey Sambells) | Yes, agree | ||
Dean Edridge (Dean Edridge) | Yes, agree | ||
University of Innsbruck DUPLICATE (Alexander Graf) | Yes, agree | Only minor changes but I believe the Differences spec should *always* be released along with the Working Draft. | |
Disruptive Innovations (Daniel Glazman) | Abstain | Not sure that a purely informative doc that contains nothing normative has to be a WD ; could be a Note. | |
Laura Carlson (Laura Carlson) | Abstain | Rationale for absence of many attributes is still very brief. Rationale needs to be provided for the attribute list (especially Absent Attributes). The differences document needs to be in sync with the specification. If it does not keep pace, it will cause confusion. | |
Orange (Stéphane Deschamps) | Yes, agree | ||
Julian Reschke (Julian Reschke) | Yes, agree | ||
Patrick Lauke (Patrick Lauke) | Yes, agree | ||
Microsoft Corporation (Chris Wilson) | Yes, agree | I consider this to be a simultaneous deliverable with the HTML5 spec. | |
Robert Burns (Robert Burns) | No, disagree | See rationale #1. | |
Gregory Rosmaita (Gregory Rosmaita) | No, disagree | i believe that the differences document isn't very meaningful until there is a modicum of consensus on what HTML5 means, as there still seems to be a gap between a language evolved from HTML 4.01 (as specified in the charter) and HTML5 in its current incarnation... in fact, maintaining this document at this point in the "process" may be more detrimental than productive, as it is a snapshot of easily obsoleted information which doesn't actually reflect the state of the HTML5 draft, which is still "in flux" | i strongly recommend to the chairs that this document be suspended in favor of a wikified document, which could be more immediately updated when changes are effected to the HTML5 draft -- this would also serve to give higher "visibility" to changes to the draft and what they mean and how they correlate to HTML 4.01/XHTML 1.0 |
As publication is necessary for progress of the group and this is a non-technical question, we will decide it by counting votes. A quorum is 40 working group participants, including representatives of 12 of the 25 participating W3C member organizations. Provided we have a quorum and 'yes' votes outnumber 'no' and 'formal objection' votes by a 2/3rds majority, the question carries.
Section 3.3 Consensus in the W3C process defines consensus as a "substantial number" in support of a proposal and no formal objections. In this survey, you may indicate disagreement without formally objecting. An individual who registers a Formal Objection should cite technical arguments and propose changes that would remove the Formal Objection. Please put your arguments (or a pointer to your arguments) in the rationale field.
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James Graham (James Graham) | |
James Cassell (James Cassell) | |
Krijn Hoetmer (Krijn Hoetmer) | |
Mateo Yadarola (Mateo Yadarola) | |
Theresa O'Connor (Theresa O'Connor) | |
Oxford Brookes University (Bob Hopgood) | |
Shawn Medero (Shawn Medero) | |
Scott Lewis (Scott Lewis) | |
Shane Thacker (Shane Thacker) | |
Joseph D'Andrea (Joseph D'Andrea) | |
Daniel Schattenkirchner (Daniel Schattenkirchner) | |
Brad Fults (Brad Fults) | |
Josh Fremer (Josh Fremer) | |
Jirka Kosek (Jirka Kosek) | |
Channy Yun (Channy Yun) | |
Justin James (Justin James) | |
Apple Inc. (Maciej Stachowiak) | |
Sam Johnston (Sam Johnston) | |
Jon Barnett (Jon Barnett) | |
Bill Mason (Bill Mason) | |
Patrick Taylor (Patrick Taylor) | |
Mozilla Foundation (Jonas Sicking) | |
David Muschiol (David Muschiol) | |
Michael Puls II (Michael Puls II) | |
Josh Lawton (Josh Lawton) | |
Arthur Jennings (Arthur Jennings) | |
Samuel Santos (Samuel Santos) | |
Danny Liang (Danny Liang) | |
Ryan King (Ryan King) | |
Andrew Sidwell (Andrew Sidwell) | |
Ben Millard (Ben Millard) | |
Stephen Axthelm (Stephen Axthelm) | |
Cameron McCormack (Cameron McCormack) | |
Ehsan Akhgari (Ehsan Akhgari) | |
Weston Ruter (Weston Ruter) | |
Ben Boyle (Ben Boyle) | |
Raphael Champeimont (Raphael Champeimont) | |
Doug Jones (Doug Jones) | |
Dan Smith (Dan Smith) | |
Dannii Willis (Dannii Willis) | |
Terry Morris (Terry Morris) | |
Opera Software AS (Anne van Kesteren) | |
Guillaume Guérin (Guillaume Guérin) | |
Robert Marshall (Robert Marshall) | |
David Håsäther (David Håsäther) | |
Simon Myers (Simon Myers) | |
Alfonso Martínez de Lizarrondo (Alfonso Martínez de Lizarrondo) | |
Mitsue-Links Co., Ltd. (Masataka Yakura) | |
Chasen Le Hara (Chasen Le Hara) | |
Doug Wright (Doug Wright) | |
Jürgen Jeka (Jürgen Jeka) | |
Benjamin Meadowcroft (Benjamin Meadowcroft) | |
Matthew Raymond (Matthew Raymond) | |
Alex Robinson (Alex Robinson) | |
Nokia Corporation (Mikko Honkala) | |
Google LLC (Jens Oliver Meiert) | |
Joshue O'Connor (Joshue O'Connor) | |
Olivier Gendrin (Olivier Gendrin) | |
AOL LLC (Robert Gonia) | |
Kornel Lesinski (Kornel Lesinski) | |
Shunsuke Kurumatani (Shunsuke Kurumatani) | |
Sierk Bornemann (Sierk Bornemann) | |
International Webmasters Association (IWA) (Pasquale Popolizio) | |
Andrew Stibbard (Andrew Stibbard) | |
Tommaso Donnarumma (Tommaso Donnarumma) | |
W3C/Americas (Dan Connolly) | |
Sam Sneddon | |
Boeing Company (Scott Vesey) | |
Sean Fraser (Sean Fraser) | |
Jeffrey Sambells (Jeffrey Sambells) | |
Dean Edridge (Dean Edridge) | |
University of Innsbruck DUPLICATE (Alexander Graf) | |
Disruptive Innovations (Daniel Glazman) | |
Laura Carlson (Laura Carlson) | |
Orange (Stéphane Deschamps) | |
Julian Reschke (Julian Reschke) | |
Patrick Lauke (Patrick Lauke) | |
Microsoft Corporation (Chris Wilson) | |
Robert Burns (Robert Burns) | I think this statement here in 3 misconstrues the W3C Formal Objection policy and the meaning of a "technical argument" therein. Though, I am not formally objecting in this questionnaire, I'd rather not see the narrowing of tenants like this. In the meaning of technical in the W3C policies it is certainly a technical question whether the document is published or not. |
Gregory Rosmaita (Gregory Rosmaita) |
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