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<scribe> scribe: Jonathan Rees
<scribe> scribenick: jar
<DanC> fixed regrets in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/05/06-minutes Date: 2010/05/13 17:03:35
F2F regrets JohnK, DanC, Raman
noah: they look ok
RESOLUTION: approve http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/05/06-minutes
(Dan A with info about the F2F)
(discussion of ash cloud)
<DanC> action-352?
<trackbot> ACTION-352 -- John Kemp to integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications -- due 2010-05-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/352
action-352?
<trackbot> ACTION-352 -- John Kemp to integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications -- due 2010-05-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/352
johnk: Is integrated into document that Ashok is preparing
<noah> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/04/22-minutes#item08
<johnk> ACTION-416?
<trackbot> ACTION-416 -- John Kemp to work on diagrams in "From Server-side to client-side" section of webapps material -- due 2010-06-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/416
<noah> <DanC> action-352?
<noah> <trackbot> ACTION-352 -- John Kemp to integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications -- due 2010-03-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<noah> <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/352
<noah> <Ashok> I cannot cahnge the access right -- needs team priviledges
<noah> <noah> John, should we close 352
<noah> <DanC> john, NM thinks maybe it's just an admin error that 352 isn't closed
<noah> <noah> should we have closed it at the F2F?
<noah> <johnk__> I did ACTION-352, but, at the F2F we decided to keep the action open
<noah> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/web-apps-taxonomy/web-apps-taxonomy.html
<DanC> action-352: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/04/WebApps.html
<trackbot> ACTION-352 Integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications notes added
noah: JohnK please add link & then close 352
<DanC> close action-352
<trackbot> ACTION-352 Integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications closed
<DanC> action-352: see action-416 for follow-up
<trackbot> ACTION-352 Integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications notes added
johnk: busy, hoping to make progress before f2f (it will be close)
<johnk> ACTION-355?
<trackbot> ACTION-355 -- John Kemp to explore the degree to which AWWW and associated findings tell the interaction story for Web Applications -- due 2010-05-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/355
ashok: JohnK and I will talk & then provide f2f agenda input
<johnk> ACTION-355: due + 1 month
<trackbot> ACTION-355 Explore the degree to which AWWW and associated findings tell the interaction story for Web Applications notes added
<DanC> ACTION-355 due + 1 month
<trackbot> ACTION-355 Explore the degree to which AWWW and associated findings tell the interaction story for Web Applications due date now + 1 month
<DanC> action-390?
<trackbot> ACTION-390 -- Daniel Appelquist to review ISSUE-58 and suggest next steps, due 2010-03-03 -- due 2010-04-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/390
<DKA> ACTION-420?
<trackbot> ACTION-420 -- Daniel Appelquist to what is different about xhtml basic 1.1 (in particular re: namespaces) -- due 2010-04-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/420
<DKA> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010May/0032.html
dka: Sent email re 420 today
<DanC> (trying to remember why we wanted DKA to do this... context: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/26-minutes.html#item06 )
dka: I'll send email about differences between XHTML strict and XHTML basic
close ACTION-420
<trackbot> ACTION-420 What is different about xhtml basic 1.1 (in particular re: namespaces) closed
<DKA> ACTION-390?
<trackbot> ACTION-390 -- Daniel Appelquist to review ISSUE-58 and suggest next steps, due 2010-03-03 -- due 2010-04-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/390
<DanC> issue-58?
<trackbot> ISSUE-58 -- Scalability of URI Access to Resources -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/58
<DanC> action-413?
<trackbot> ACTION-413 -- Dan Connolly to suggest a path thru some logic terminology that might speed up httpSemantics discussions -- due 2010-05-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/413
<noah> ACTION-431?
<DanC> . close action-431
action-431?
<trackbot> ACTION-431 -- Ashok Malhotra to contact Jeff/PLH regarding particiapation in W3C core mission TF -- due 2010-05-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/431
dka: Would like to participate. Will contact JJ
noah: availability of schemas - let's take this up when Larry's here
<noah> action-413?
<noah> action-413?
<trackbot> ACTION-413 -- Dan Connolly to suggest a path thru some logic terminology that might speed up httpSemantics discussions -- due 2010-05-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/413
http://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dfhtjfgw_9chw68rcm
<noah> NM: Author is you, DanC?
<noah> DC: Yes.
danc: At the F2F there was an objection to the FOL presentation around ambiguity
... and JAR and I said if you just took the usual FOL approach the confusion is dispelled (ambiguity is inherent and controlled)
(danc going through slides)
noah: A few more words around slide 8 please?
... slide 12: Can you tell me why we speak of constants separately from the things in D?
... ok, constants are symbols, while D contains domain elements ("real things")
<DKA> doesn't (~M(x) | D(x))) imply that anything that is not a man does not die?
<DKA> Note: Provenance incubator group working on provenance - worth getting a report on that? http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/
danc: JAR said, ambiguity is what happens when there's more than one satisfying interpretation, and that's almost always
... if only I could get TimBL to stipulate that
<DanC> ... then I'd understand Tim's position better
<DanC> (fwiw, records of the genesis of this action http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/25-minutes.html#item03x )
close action-413
<trackbot> ACTION-413 Suggest a path thru some logic terminology that might speed up httpSemantics discussions closed
<DanC> no, (~M(x) | D(x))) does not imply that anything that is not a man does not die. ~F|G and ~F do not imply ~G.
<DanC> provenance IG is an interesting idea; maybe I'll have a look around there
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