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TAG Weekly

13 May 2010

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Dan Appelquist, Jonathan Rees, Dan Connolly, Noah Mendelsohn, John Kemp, Ashok Malhotra
Regrets
Tim Berners-Lee, Henry Thompson
Chair
Noah Mendelsohn
Scribe
Jonathan Rees

Contents


<scribe> scribe: Jonathan Rees

<scribe> scribenick: jar

<DanC> fixed regrets in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/05/06-minutes Date: 2010/05/13 17:03:35

Convene

F2F regrets JohnK, DanC, Raman

Minutes

noah: they look ok

RESOLUTION: approve http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/05/06-minutes

Administrative items

(Dan A with info about the F2F)

(discussion of ash cloud)

Overdue Action Items

<DanC> action-352?

<trackbot> ACTION-352 -- John Kemp to integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications -- due 2010-05-06 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/352

action-352?

<trackbot> ACTION-352 -- John Kemp to integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications -- due 2010-05-06 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/352

johnk: Is integrated into document that Ashok is preparing

<noah> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/04/22-minutes#item08

<johnk> ACTION-416?

<trackbot> ACTION-416 -- John Kemp to work on diagrams in "From Server-side to client-side" section of webapps material -- due 2010-06-06 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/416

<noah> <DanC> action-352?

<noah> <trackbot> ACTION-352 -- John Kemp to integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications -- due 2010-03-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<noah> <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/352

<noah> <Ashok> I cannot cahnge the access right -- needs team priviledges

<noah> <noah> John, should we close 352

<noah> <DanC> john, NM thinks maybe it's just an admin error that 352 isn't closed

<noah> <noah> should we have closed it at the F2F?

<noah> <johnk__> I did ACTION-352, but, at the F2F we decided to keep the action open

<noah> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/web-apps-taxonomy/web-apps-taxonomy.html

<DanC> action-352: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/04/WebApps.html

<trackbot> ACTION-352 Integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications notes added

noah: JohnK please add link & then close 352

<DanC> close action-352

<trackbot> ACTION-352 Integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications closed

<DanC> action-352: see action-416 for follow-up

<trackbot> ACTION-352 Integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications notes added

johnk: busy, hoping to make progress before f2f (it will be close)

<johnk> ACTION-355?

<trackbot> ACTION-355 -- John Kemp to explore the degree to which AWWW and associated findings tell the interaction story for Web Applications -- due 2010-05-08 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/355

ashok: JohnK and I will talk & then provide f2f agenda input

<johnk> ACTION-355: due + 1 month

<trackbot> ACTION-355 Explore the degree to which AWWW and associated findings tell the interaction story for Web Applications notes added

<DanC> ACTION-355 due + 1 month

<trackbot> ACTION-355 Explore the degree to which AWWW and associated findings tell the interaction story for Web Applications due date now + 1 month

<DanC> action-390?

<trackbot> ACTION-390 -- Daniel Appelquist to review ISSUE-58 and suggest next steps, due 2010-03-03 -- due 2010-04-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/390

XHTML Basic 1.1

<DKA> ACTION-420?

<trackbot> ACTION-420 -- Daniel Appelquist to what is different about xhtml basic 1.1 (in particular re: namespaces) -- due 2010-04-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/420

<DKA> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010May/0032.html

dka: Sent email re 420 today

<DanC> (trying to remember why we wanted DKA to do this... context: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/26-minutes.html#item06 )

dka: I'll send email about differences between XHTML strict and XHTML basic

close ACTION-420

<trackbot> ACTION-420 What is different about xhtml basic 1.1 (in particular re: namespaces) closed

<DKA> ACTION-390?

Overdue Action Items

<trackbot> ACTION-390 -- Daniel Appelquist to review ISSUE-58 and suggest next steps, due 2010-03-03 -- due 2010-04-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/390

<DanC> issue-58?

<trackbot> ISSUE-58 -- Scalability of URI Access to Resources -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/58

<DanC> action-413?

<trackbot> ACTION-413 -- Dan Connolly to suggest a path thru some logic terminology that might speed up httpSemantics discussions -- due 2010-05-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/413

W3C Vision

<noah> ACTION-431?

<DanC> . close action-431

action-431?

<trackbot> ACTION-431 -- Ashok Malhotra to contact Jeff/PLH regarding particiapation in W3C core mission TF -- due 2010-05-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/431

dka: Would like to participate. Will contact JJ

HTML 5 review

noah: availability of schemas - let's take this up when Larry's here

<noah> action-413?

<noah> action-413?

<trackbot> ACTION-413 -- Dan Connolly to suggest a path thru some logic terminology that might speed up httpSemantics discussions -- due 2010-05-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/413

Logic terminology for httpSemantics

http://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dfhtjfgw_9chw68rcm

<noah> NM: Author is you, DanC?

<noah> DC: Yes.

danc: At the F2F there was an objection to the FOL presentation around ambiguity
... and JAR and I said if you just took the usual FOL approach the confusion is dispelled (ambiguity is inherent and controlled)

(danc going through slides)

noah: A few more words around slide 8 please?
... slide 12: Can you tell me why we speak of constants separately from the things in D?
... ok, constants are symbols, while D contains domain elements ("real things")

<DKA> doesn't (~M(x) | D(x))) imply that anything that is not a man does not die?

<DKA> Note: Provenance incubator group working on provenance - worth getting a report on that? http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/

danc: JAR said, ambiguity is what happens when there's more than one satisfying interpretation, and that's almost always
... if only I could get TimBL to stipulate that

<DanC> ... then I'd understand Tim's position better

<DanC> (fwiw, records of the genesis of this action http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/25-minutes.html#item03x )

close action-413

<trackbot> ACTION-413 Suggest a path thru some logic terminology that might speed up httpSemantics discussions closed

<DanC> no, (~M(x) | D(x))) does not imply that anything that is not a man does not die. ~F|G and ~F do not imply ~G.

<DanC> provenance IG is an interesting idea; maybe I'll have a look around there

ADJOURNED

Summary of Action Items

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