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17:01:30 <jar> zakim, who is here?
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17:01:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see DKA, Jonathan_Rees, DanC
17:02:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see noah, johnk, RRSAgent, jar, DKA, Zakim, timbl, DanC, trackbot
17:02:26 <jar> chair: Noah Mendelsohn
17:02:27 <Zakim> +Noah_Mendelsohn
17:02:31 <jar> scribe: Jonathan Rees
17:02:34 <jar> scribenick: jar
17:02:38 <Zakim> +John_Kemp
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17:03:53 <jar> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/05/13-agenda
17:04:02 <noah> zakim, who is here?
17:04:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see DKA, Jonathan_Rees, DanC, Noah_Mendelsohn, John_Kemp, Ashok_Malhotra
17:04:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ashok, noah, johnk, RRSAgent, jar, DKA, Zakim, timbl, DanC, trackbot
17:04:10 <DanC> fixed regrets in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/05/06-minutes Date: 2010/05/13 17:03:35
17:05:04 <jar> topic: Convene
17:05:31 <jar> F2F regrets JohnK, DanC, Raman
17:06:06 <jar> topic: Minutes
17:06:16 <jar> noah: they look ok
17:06:32 <jar> RESOLUTION: approve http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/05/06-minutes
17:06:54 <jar> topic: Administrative items
17:07:08 <jar> (Dan A with info about the F2F)
17:08:12 <jar> (discussion of ash cloud)
17:09:15 <jar> topic: Overdue Action Items
17:09:50 <DanC> action-352?
17:09:50 <trackbot> ACTION-352 -- John Kemp to integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications -- due 2010-05-06 -- OPEN
17:09:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/352
17:09:57 <jar> action-352?
17:09:57 <trackbot> ACTION-352 -- John Kemp to integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications -- due 2010-05-06 -- OPEN
17:09:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/352
17:10:21 <jar> johnk: Is integrated into document that Ashok is preparing
17:10:44 <noah> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/04/22-minutes#item08
17:10:45 <johnk> ACTION-416?
17:10:45 <trackbot> ACTION-416 -- John Kemp to work on diagrams in "From Server-side to client-side" section of webapps material -- due 2010-06-06 -- OPEN
17:10:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/416
17:11:08 <Ashok> q+
17:11:12 <noah> <DanC> action-352?
17:11:12 <noah> <trackbot> ACTION-352 -- John Kemp to integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications -- due 2010-03-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:11:12 <noah> <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/352
17:11:12 <noah> <Ashok> I cannot cahnge the access right -- needs team priviledges
17:11:12 <noah> <noah> John, should we close 352
17:11:14 <noah> <DanC> john, NM thinks maybe it's just an admin error that 352 isn't closed
17:11:16 <noah> <noah> should we have closed it at the F2F?
17:11:18 <noah> <johnk__> I did ACTION-352, but, at the F2F we decided to keep the action open 
17:12:22 <noah> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/web-apps-taxonomy/web-apps-taxonomy.html
17:12:42 <DanC> action-352: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/04/WebApps.html
17:12:42 <trackbot> ACTION-352 Integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications notes added
17:12:58 <jar> noah: please add link & then close 352
17:13:15 <jar> s/please/JohnK please/
17:13:18 <DanC> close action-352
17:13:18 <trackbot> ACTION-352 Integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications closed
17:13:39 <DanC> action-352: see action-416 for follow-up
17:13:39 <trackbot> ACTION-352 Integrate whiteboard drawings into a prose document about ways to distribute applications notes added
17:14:52 <jar> johnk: busy, hoping to make progress before f2f (it will be close)
17:15:28 <johnk> ACTION-355?
17:15:28 <trackbot> ACTION-355 -- John Kemp to explore the degree to which AWWW and associated findings tell the interaction story for Web Applications -- due 2010-05-08 -- OPEN
17:15:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/355
17:15:33 <jar> ashok: JohnK and I will talk & then provide f2f agenda input
17:16:03 <DanC> Zakim, pick a victim
17:16:03 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanC
17:17:03 <johnk> ACTION-355: due + 1 month
17:17:03 <trackbot> ACTION-355 Explore the degree to which AWWW and associated findings tell the interaction story for Web Applications notes added
17:17:51 <DanC> ACTION-355 due + 1 month
17:17:51 <trackbot> ACTION-355 Explore the degree to which AWWW and associated findings tell the interaction story for Web Applications due date now + 1 month
17:18:34 <DanC> action-390?
17:18:34 <trackbot> ACTION-390 -- Daniel Appelquist to review ISSUE-58 and suggest next steps, due 2010-03-03 -- due 2010-04-29 -- OPEN
17:18:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/390
17:18:48 <DKA> ACTION-420?
17:18:49 <trackbot> ACTION-420 -- Daniel Appelquist to what is different about xhtml basic 1.1 (in particular re: namespaces) -- due 2010-04-29 -- OPEN
17:18:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/420
17:19:08 <DKA> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2010May/0032.html
17:19:27 <jar> dka: Sent email re 420 today
17:20:21 <noah> q?
17:21:12 <Ashok> q-
17:22:20 <DanC> (trying to remember why we wanted DKA to do this... context: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/26-minutes.html#item06 )
17:23:05 <jar> *** NOTE TO MINUTES EDITOR: give action 420 discussion its own section heading ***
17:23:25 <jar> XHTML Basic
17:25:30 <jar> dka: I'll send email about differences between XHTML strict and XHTML basic
17:25:51 <jar> close ACTION-240
17:25:51 <trackbot> ACTION-240 Read thread on RDFa, CURIEs and profile and summarize http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Feb/0295.html closed
17:25:58 <DKA> ACTION-390?
17:25:58 <trackbot> ACTION-390 -- Daniel Appelquist to review ISSUE-58 and suggest next steps, due 2010-03-03 -- due 2010-04-29 -- OPEN
17:25:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/390
17:26:33 <DanC> issue-58?
17:26:34 <trackbot> ISSUE-58 -- Scalability of URI Access to Resources -- OPEN
17:26:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/58
17:26:50 <jar> close ACTION-420
17:26:50 <trackbot> ACTION-420 What is different about xhtml basic 1.1 (in particular re: namespaces) closed
17:27:37 <jar> topic: Overdue Action Items
17:27:51 <DanC> action-413?
17:27:51 <trackbot> ACTION-413 -- Dan Connolly to suggest a path thru some logic terminology that might speed up httpSemantics discussions -- due 2010-05-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:27:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/413
17:29:44 <jar> topic: W3C Vision
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17:30:34 <noah>  ACTION-431?
17:30:36 <DanC> . close action-431
17:32:17 <jar> action-431?
17:32:17 <trackbot> ACTION-431 -- Ashok Malhotra to contact Jeff/PLH regarding particiapation in W3C core mission TF -- due 2010-05-13 -- OPEN
17:32:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/431
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17:33:03 <jar> dka: Would like to participate. Will contact JJ
17:34:47 <jar> topic: HTML 5 review
17:35:15 <jar> noah: availability of schemas - let's take this up when Larry's here
17:35:53 <noah>  action-413?
17:36:04 <noah> action-413?
17:36:04 <trackbot> ACTION-413 -- Dan Connolly to suggest a path thru some logic terminology that might speed up httpSemantics discussions -- due 2010-05-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:36:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/413
17:36:17 <noah> topic: Logic terminology for httpSemantics
17:37:09 <Zakim> -John_Kemp
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17:38:00 <jar> http://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dfhtjfgw_9chw68rcm
17:38:33 <noah> NM: Author is you, DanC?
17:38:35 <noah> DC: Yes.
17:40:32 <jar> danc: At the F2F there was an objection to the FOL presentation around ambiguity
17:41:10 <jar> ... and JAR and I said if you just took the usual FOL approach the confusion is dispelled (ambiguity is inherent and controlled)
17:41:54 <jar> (danc going through slides)
17:48:25 <jar> noah: A few more words around slide 8 please?
17:57:39 <jar> noah: slide 12: Can you tell me why we speak of constants separately from the things in D?
17:59:00 <jar> ... ok, constants are symbols, while D contains domain elements ("real things")
18:04:13 <DKA> doesn't (~M(x) | D(x))) imply that anything that is not a man does not die?
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18:16:50 <DKA> Note: Provenance incubator group working on provenance - worth getting a report on that? http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/
18:19:19 <jar> danc: JAR said, ambiguity is what happens when there's more than one satisfying interpretation, and that's almost always
18:19:45 <jar> ... if only I could get TimBL to stipulate that
18:20:56 <DanC> ... then I'd understand Tim's position better
18:23:12 <DanC> (fwiw, records of the genesis of this action http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/25-minutes.html#item03x )
18:25:59 <jar> close action-413
18:25:59 <trackbot> ACTION-413 Suggest a path thru some logic terminology that might speed up httpSemantics discussions closed
18:28:39 <DanC> no,  (~M(x) | D(x))) does not imply that anything that is not a man does not die. ~F|G and ~F do not imply ~G.
18:29:02 <Zakim> -DKA
18:29:06 <Zakim> -Noah_Mendelsohn
18:29:07 <DanC> provenance IG is an interesting idea; maybe I'll have a look around there
18:29:07 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
18:29:08 <Zakim> -Jonathan_Rees
18:29:13 <jar> rrsagent. make logs public
18:29:36 <jar> rrsagent, make logs public
18:29:48 <jar> ADJOURNED
18:30:09 <jar> zakim, close meeting
18:30:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close meeting', jar
18:31:07 <jar> zakim, list attendee
18:31:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list attendee', jar
18:31:18 <jar> zakim, list attendees
18:31:18 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been DKA, Jonathan_Rees, DanC, Noah_Mendelsohn, John_Kemp, Ashok_Malhotra
18:35:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, DanC, in TAG_Weekly()1:00PM
18:35:03 <Zakim> TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended
18:35:05 <Zakim> Attendees were DKA, Jonathan_Rees, DanC, Noah_Mendelsohn, John_Kemp, Ashok_Malhotra
19:23:38 <jar> zakim, excuse us
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19:28:32 <jar> rrsagent. pointer
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