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TAG Weekly Telcon

14 May 2007

Agenda

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Attendees

Present
DanC, dorchard, ht, noah, Raman, TimBL, Norm
Regrets
stuart, rhys
Chair
ht
Scribe
dorchard

Contents


 

nick: dorchard

<scribe> scribenick: dorchard

http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/14-agenda

<ht> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/04/30-minutes.html

<scribe> ACTION: minutes of 05/14 approved [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/14-minutes#action01]

May 21st meeting

regrets for May 21: dorchard

<timbl> FTR, my regrets will be for 28th

<ht> http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/issue51/thompson/

<noah> Note that 28 May is US Memorial day, as well as being 2 days before F2F

Public issues list

<noah> I recall that in Cambridge, we discussed having a Web page that would be sort of "The TAG introduces the Web"

ht proposes a public place that's more "usable" by the public

<DanC_lap> our most recent monthly summary is another candidate for "what's going on?"

<noah> I also find the TAG home page sort of bland and not very helpful.

dorchard: Issues list has been useful for TAG members
... it's useful but not for the general public

ht: would like to find out who has obligation to review.

<DanC_lap> (I'd expect to find "obligation to review" as actions.)

<timbl> What then is the 'action ites' column?

dorchard: I think this is for actions

danc_lap: can look by owner for actions

<ht> OK, so I now see the 'actions' link in today's agenda, which does show e.g. NW's action to review XMLVersioning-41

<ht> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions#URNsAndRegistries-50

noah: doing this "current state" is hard to do well.

<timbl> hmmm

f2f agenda bashing...

RESOLUTION: TAG would like a session at F2F on Naming and Virtual Worlds

F2F Preparation

<ht> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/29-agenda

Deferencing HTTP URIs

ht: I'm not sure what the real resolution is wrt frag-ids
... I think that different people in the room thought different things, and we agreed to not discuss
... my goal is to resolve this.

norm: support revisiting as henry has suggested

<timbl> Needs a piinter to th edraft

<timbl> Draft finding on httpRange-14

<timbl> Date: 2007-03-27 9:26:52 EDT

<timbl> To: tag@w3.org

danc_lap: will act as guinea pig and review ..

<timbl> From: rhys@volantis.com

danc_lap: as long as it appears in public..

HTML Design Principles and Web Architecture

ht: what are the goals for this session?

danc_lap: had to ask group to stop talking about this..

ht: started from "version identifiers" are good, and HTML said "we dooonn need no steeeenking version identifiers"
... is there a principled reason why VIs don't apply for HTML?

<timbl> B: Good stuff. As demoed at a [http://esw.w3.org/topic/CambridgeSemanticWebGatherings|Cambridge SW Gathering]

<DanC_lap> "A data format specification SHOULD provide for version information." -- http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#pr-version-info

<timbl> ooops

noah: not quite how I'd say that..

ht: should web arch back down, or can we qualify this?

<timbl> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/actions_owner.html

<timbl> ^ TAG actions by owner

<DanC_lap> (I asked about #pr-version-info in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2007Mar/0042.html )

Versioning

dorchard: Would you like to get plan for completion of findings.
... what's missing, what's extra, what's left to do.

Self-Describing Web

http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#ultimateQuestion-42

<noah> I think the topic: is actually F2F agenda, self-describing Web

<timbl> s/kinda//

<timbl> s/kinda sortof///

noah: It's become titled self-describing web, which I'm happy about.

Raman: what about XML Versioning and TagSoup?
... would like to have the answer to whether HTML follows Web architecture
... interested in having hixsie present for a few hours?

<scribe> ACTION: stuart to add an agenda item for May 21 to consider inviting outside expert(s) to html/xml tag soup versioning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/14-minutes#action02]

<scribe> ACTION: HT to talk stuart to add an agenda item for May 21 to consider inviting hixsie to html/xml tag soup versioning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/14-minutes#action03]

<scribe> ACTION: HT to talk stuart to add an agenda item for May 21 to consider inviting outside expert to html/xml tag soup versioning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/14-minutes#action04]

<Zakim> timbl, you wanted to mention possible meetings competing with TAG at Google

<timbl> My flight out scheduled 2007-06-01 from 17:10 to 22:45

<timbl> ie 2:10 pm

<DanC_lap> I leave SFO 635P http://www.w3.org/2007/06dc-sfo/sfo1.html

raman: suggest meeting at 8 and have breakfast at google.

<DanC_lap> 8am breakfast @ google ok by me.

ht: this works?

dorchard: this works for me for thur/fri.
... wed I arrive around 10 am into SFO.

resolution: early thursday dinner
... early thursday dinner

ht: for the f2f, would like to have some resolution to the two parts of URNRegistries-50

raman: back to logistics, interested in having a guest at the dinner

tag: not much general objection..

ht: back to the f2f, xml-functions agreement on scope

URNsAndRegistries-50

ht: Dave, with help from Henry, followed the public documents on XRIs
... should this be in the finding?
... gaps, things like, arbitrars page is under construction
... appears to be quite parallel to DNS
... doesn't appear to be a reason to publish..

dorchard: some stuff about why some of the material needs to be published..

ht: doesn't need to have detailed follow-nose and who works for who published

XMLVersioning-41

dorchard: Action of Apr 28th discharged
... Action to dorchard of Apr 28th is discharged

action to Norm of Apr 28th is discharged

dorchard: what are the diffs between top/bottom subst groups

ht: continuum is that more info in type is top typing

noah: slightly different, you will see underneat the "name" all sorts of things, and the top will be invariant on the "bottom" typing
... in top typing, the top name will vary ie Name, JapaneseName..

dorchard: Isn't this just recursive?

noah: I have animals, concrete is fish, cat, dog, then appendages, which become feet, trunks, tails..
... tend to find Names to be top typing..

ht: in the top down case, you will expect to see the replacement in all kinds of different places.
... because there are many places where Names occur...
... JapaneseNames could occur in address, headers, ...
... lots of places.
... in bottom up pattern, the place where variation happens is always the same.
... it provides the context for the variation..

dorchard: should include this in version-xml and make sure the 2 types are distinguished properly
... will produce revised Versioning-XML for May 18th

RESOLUTION: will produce revised Versioning-XML for May 18th
... will produce revised Versioning for May 18th

<scribe> ACTION: dorchard to produce revised Versioning-part1 and Versioning-XML for May 18th [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/14-minutes#action05]

<ht> There, dave, now you can edit

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: dorchard to produce revised Versioning-part1 and Versioning-XML for May 18th [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/14-minutes#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: HT to talk stuart to add an agenda item for May 21 to consider inviting hixsie to html/xml tag soup versioning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/14-minutes#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: HT to talk stuart to add an agenda item for May 21 to consider inviting outside expert to html/xml tag soup versioning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/14-minutes#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: minutes of 05/14 approved [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/14-minutes#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: stuart to add an agenda item for May 21 to consider inviting outside expert(s) to html/xml tag soup versioning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/05/14-minutes#action02]
 
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