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<scribe> Scribe: DanC
Next teleconference: propose 15 November
<Norm> Norm: regrets for 15 November
<noah> I will chair next week.
regrets 15 Nov: Norm, Vincent; Ed; at risk: Tim, Dan
RESOLUTION: to cancel 15 Nov and meet next 22 Nov, VQ to chair
agenda comments?
DanC: some auth stuff... and norm's ns8 stuff
endpointrefs stuff postponed pending DO, HT's availability
NM: without henry, endpointRefs might be tricky
<DanC_> minutes 1 Nov
RESOLVED to accept
RESOLUTION: to confirm 12-14 June 2006 in Western MA meeting plans
<DanC_> Dec. F2F Agenda Items [NM to www-tag]
NM summarizes msg of Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:27:32 -0500
<Ed> * Followup to Edinburgh discussions of versioning: we seemed to be off to a useful if somewhat slow start in settling terminology, etc., and I think there was some sense that versioning-related work could be a key theme for the TAG's work in the coming year or two.
<Ed> (from Noah's email)
<Ed> * Self-describing documents: I don't think we have an issue around this, but Tim at least informally seemed to feel it would be worth attention. I agree, and I might be convinced to do some work on a finding (though we'll have to set priorities relative to TAG commitments already made).
<Zakim> DanC, you wanted to note progress on versioning
<Ed> * schemeProtocols-49: I owe the TAG a reworked position to be available within the next few weeks, allowing time for TAG members to read and consider before the F2F. I think a couple of hours on this would be worthwhile. The goal would be either to finally agree that there's something worth pursuing, or to formally put it aside for the forseeable future.
DanC: Self-describing documents .. umm...
yeah... worth some time... not sure how.
... on schemeProtocols-49 ... I should get in touch with some of the
proponents of http: synonyms...
NM: mms: is relevant there too
<Ed> * Web Services and the Web: I think we're using endPointRefs-47 as an excuse for the TAG to come up to speed on Web Services and perhaps to discover new issues worth pursuing. Henry's worked example seems useful.
NM: perhaps "principle of least power" merits some time at the ftf too.
Ed: perhaps focus more on this bit of our charter: "when setting future directions, help establish criteria for starting new work at W3C, and help W3C coordinate its work with that of other organizations."
DanC: how would that be different from what we're doing now?
Ed: e.g. mobile web... perhaps put together something on content/presentation before mobile web inititative publishes something
DanC: I can see both sides of that, but I'm concerned about whether we're doing what we say we're going to do... long list of actions with slow progress... which things to preempt?
NM: it occurs to me that there will [may] be
some turn-over... we could think about what we're going to hand to the
incoming folks
... "issue list and assignments"?
Ed: anything else? well, that's it for now; we
can add more later
... priorities?
DanC: prioritize stuff based on work that gets done before the meeting
Ed: hmm...
NM: agenda seems fluid enough to let incoming writing influence it
<DanC_> Associating Resources with Namespaces 7 November 2005
NDW: pls excuse encoding noise... working on
.htaccess
... am I on the right track?
DanC: it's not so much "instead of" RDDL... we're also endorsing RDDL as is, right?
NDW: right.
<noah> Noah thinks that Norm's "We hope to: 1)... 2)... 3)..." is balanced on the status of RDDL.
DanC: I'm not in a good position to review... I'll just see what I want to see
Ed: I'm OK to review it.
<scribe> ACTION: NDW to fill in section 5 of http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]
<scribe> ACTION: Ed to review http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/ after NDW updates w.r.t section 5, perhaps by 22 Nov [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]
<Norm> Funny characters fixed
DanC: status... hmm... it's in the shape of a finding... we've been asked for a REC... a finding is OK by me, at least for now
NDW: let's shop it around as a finding for now
<DanC_> Web Auth: state of the art, some notes
<noah> If you mean Microsoft Infocard, Noah is surprised that it is purely WS-Trust based. I thought it was a general repository and associated "non scary to ordinary mortals" UI for all credentials.
[missed lots by danc]
NDW: that was SAML
NM: I got the impression InfoCard was more
federated than just ws-trust
... sorta like web browsers mostly use http, though they can use other uri
schemes
DC: I got the impression ws-trust played the
pivotal role
... I hear a workshop might be in progress
<noah> FWIW: the Microsoft Web Page about Infocard appears to be at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/building/infocard/default.aspx
Ed: perhaps we should recommend that W3C do a
workshop?
... on web authentication
<Roy> *shrug*
<noah> Following up on scope of Infocard, see specifically: http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/building/infocard/default.aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dnwebsrv/html/identitymetasystem.asp#identitymetasy_topic9
DanC: I'm conflicted... I'm not sure I'll be able to go. If I could go, I'd like it to happen.
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to write a report on the state of the art authentication in the web [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]
violet
<Norm> ty
<Norm> FYI: http://www.horstmann.com/violet/
<Zakim> noah, you wanted to say we're not in 100% total agreement on the use of the term "language"
I think stringset is what we got in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/09/22-diagram1.png
<Ed> noah: I think we should set down instructions on how we should read that diagram we had on the white board
<Norm> brb
DC: tx for feedback... this week and next are kinda shot, but the following week might work
meanwhile... ACTION DaveO to update finding with ext/vers
DC: I guess my target is to tell this "HTML 2 sublanguage of HTML4" story
DO: ok, let's hope that folds into the finding
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to derive RDF/RDFS/OWL version of terminology from whiteboard [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]
<scribe> ACTION: DaveO to update finding with ext/vers [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]
<Ed> TAG actions
NM: I see my CDF review action marked done.
RF: made a little progress on mime/respect item. ()
<scribe> ACTION: RF to update Authoritative Metadata finding to include resolution of putMediaType-38 [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc]
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