17:59:15 RRSAgent has joined #tagmem 17:59:15 logging to http://www.w3.org/2005/11/08-tagmem-irc 17:59:23 TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has now started 17:59:30 +??P0 17:59:52 -??P0 17:59:53 TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has ended 17:59:55 Attendees were 18:00:38 TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has now started 18:00:40 +DanC 18:00:48 +??P0 18:01:09 Zakim, ??P0 is Ed 18:01:09 +Ed; got it 18:01:12 zakim, what's the passcode? 18:01:12 the conference code is 0824 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), Norm 18:02:15 Topic: Administrative 18:02:23 Regrets: Tim, Henry, Vincent 18:02:30 Chair: Ed 18:02:32 Scribe: DanC 18:02:59 +Norm 18:03:49 zakim, who's here? 18:03:49 On the phone I see DanC, Ed, Norm 18:03:50 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Ed, Zakim, noah_lunch, Norm, DanC 18:04:06 Regrets + DavidO 18:04:08 +[IBMCambridge] 18:04:15 zakim, [IBM is oah 18:04:15 +oah; got it 18:04:20 Zakim, IBMCambridge holds Noah 18:04:20 sorry, DanC, I do not recognize a party named 'IBMCambridge' 18:04:22 zakim, oah is noah 18:04:22 +noah; got it 18:06:35 Next teleconference: propose 15 November 18:06:44 Norm: regrets for 15 November 18:07:04 I will chair next week. 18:07:10 regrets 15 Nov: Norm, Vincent; Ed; at risk: Tim, Dan 18:08:37 RESOLVED: to cancel 15 Nov and meet next 22 Nov, VQ to chair 18:09:02 zakim, who is here? 18:09:02 On the phone I see DanC, Ed, Norm, noah 18:09:03 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Ed, Zakim, noah, Norm, DanC 18:09:07 agenda comments? 18:09:14 DanC: some auth stuff... and norm's ns8 stuff 18:09:40 agenda + Administrative 18:09:54 NM: without henry, endpointRefs might be tricky 18:10:09 agenda + # Preparing agenda for Dec. f2f at MIT 18:10:15 agenda + Issue endPointRefs-47 18:10:23 agenda + authentication 18:10:28 agenda + namespaceDocument-8 18:10:57 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-tagmem-minutes.html minutes 1 Nov 18:11:11 RESOLVED to accept 18:11:22 Zakim, next item 18:11:22 agendum 1. "Administrative" taken up [from DanC] 18:11:27 Zakim, take up item 1 18:11:27 agendum 1. "Administrative" taken up [from DanC] 18:11:28 Zakim, take up item 2 18:11:28 agendum 2. "# Preparing agenda for Dec. f2f at MIT" taken up [from DanC] 18:11:35 Zakim, close item 1 18:11:37 agendum 1, Administrative, closed 18:11:37 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 18:11:38 2. # Preparing agenda for Dec. f2f at MIT [from DanC] 18:11:58 CONFIRMED: 12-14 June 18:12:10 CONFIRMED: 12-14 June 2006 in Western MA 18:13:00 NM summarizes msg of Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:27:32 -0500 18:13:02 * Followup to Edinburgh discussions of versioning: we seemed to be off to a useful if somewhat slow start in settling terminology, etc., and I think there was some sense that versioning-related work could be a key theme for the TAG's work in the coming year or two. 18:13:20 (from Noah's email) 18:13:29 * Self-describing documents: I don't think we have an issue around this, but Tim at least informally seemed to feel it would be worth attention. I agree, and I might be convinced to do some work on a finding (though we'll have to set priorities relative to TAG commitments already made). 18:14:42 q+ to note progress on versioning 18:15:24 ack danc 18:15:24 DanC, you wanted to note progress on versioning 18:16:10 agenda + versioning 18:16:11 * schemeProtocols-49: I owe the TAG a reworked position to be available within the next few weeks, allowing time for TAG members to read and consider before the F2F. I think a couple of hours on this would be worthwhile. The goal would be either to finally agree that there's something worth pursuing, or to formally put it aside for the forseeable future. 18:16:29 agenda 6 = versioning, esp. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0136.html 18:17:21 DanC: Self-describing documents .. umm... yeah... worth some time... not sure how. 18:19:37 DanC: on schemeProtocols-49 ... I should get in touch with some of the proponents of http: synonyms... 18:19:44 NM: mms: is relevant there too 18:19:45 * Web Services and the Web: I think we're using endPointRefs-47 as an excuse for the TAG to come up to speed on Web Services and perhaps to discover new issues worth pursuing. Henry's worked example seems useful. 18:21:27 NM: perhaps "principle of least power" merits some time at the ftf too. 18:22:35 Ed: perhaps focus more on this bit of our charter: "when setting future directions, help establish criteria for starting new work at W3C, and help W3C coordinate its work with that of other organizations." 18:23:14 DanC: how would that be different from what we're doing now? 18:23:45 Ed: e.g. mobile web... perhaps put together something on content/presentation before mobile web inititative publishes something 18:24:49 +Norm.a 18:24:52 -Norm 18:25:12 DanC: I can see both sides of that, but I'm concerned about whether we're doing what we say we're going to do... long list of actions with slow progress... which things to preempt? 18:25:49 zakim, Norm.a is Norm 18:25:49 +Norm; got it 18:25:54 NM: it occurs to me that there will [may] be some turn-over... we could think about what we're going to hand to the incoming folks 18:26:19 NM: "issue list and assignments"? 18:26:35 Ed: anything else? well, that's it for now; we can add more later 18:26:52 Ed: priorities? 18:27:12 DanC: prioritize stuff based on work that gets done before the meeting 18:28:29 Ed: hmm... 18:28:56 NM: agenda seems fluid enough to let incoming writing influence it 18:29:07 Zakim, close item 2 18:29:07 agendum 2, # Preparing agenda for Dec. f2f at MIT, closed 18:29:08 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 18:29:09 3. Issue endPointRefs-47 [from DanC] 18:29:13 +Roy_Fielding 18:29:36 postponed pending DO, HT's availability 18:29:58 Zakim, close item 3 18:29:58 agendum 3, Issue endPointRefs-47, closed 18:29:59 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 18:30:00 4. authentication [from DanC] 18:30:08 Norm has joined #tagmem 18:30:11 agenda? 18:30:13 Roy has joined #tagmem 18:30:54 Zakim, take up item 5 18:30:54 agendum 5. "namespaceDocument-8" taken up [from DanC] 18:31:00 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/ 18:31:17 -> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/ Associating Resources with Namespaces 7 November 2005 18:32:44 NDW: pls excuse encoding noise... working on .htaccess 18:33:10 DNW: am I on the right track? 18:33:18 s/DNW/NDW/ 18:33:32 DanC: it's not so much "instead of" RDDL... we're also endorsing RDDL as is, right? 18:33:37 NDW: right. 18:33:45 Noah thinks that Norm's "We hope to: 1)... 2)... 3)..." is balanced on the status of RDDL. 18:34:50 DanC: I'm not in a good position to review... I'll just see what I want to see 18:34:56 Ed: I'm OK to review it. 18:35:15 ACTION NDW: fill in section 5 of http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/ 18:35:39 ACTION Ed: review http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/ after NDW updates w.r.t section 5, perhaps by 22 Nov 18:36:07 Funny characters fixed 18:37:11 DanC: status... hmm... it's in the shape of a finding... we've been asked for a REC... a finding is OK by me, at least for now 18:37:20 NDW: let's shop it around as a finding for now 18:37:37 Zakim, close this item 18:37:37 agendum 5 closed 18:37:38 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 18:37:39 4. authentication [from DanC] 18:37:53 -> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/09/auth453.html Web Auth: state of the art 18:39:10 If you mean Microsoft Infocard, Noah is surprised that it is purely WS-Trust based. I thought it was a general repository and associated "non scary to ordinary mortals" UI for all credentials. 18:40:38 [missed lots by danc] 18:40:46 NDW: that was SAML 18:42:03 NM: I got the impression InfoCard was more federated than just ws-trust 18:42:45 ... sorta like web browsers mostly use http, though they can use other uri schemes 18:42:54 DC: I got the impression ws-trust played the pivotal role 18:43:41 DC: I hear a workshop might be in progress 18:43:51 FWIW: the Microsoft Web Page about Infocard appears to be at: http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/building/infocard/default.aspx 18:43:57 Ed: perhaps we should recommend that W3C do a workshop? 18:44:49 ... on web authentication 18:45:18 *shrug* 18:45:38 Following up on scope of Infocard, see specifically: http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/building/infocard/default.aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dnwebsrv/html/identitymetasystem.asp#identitymetasy_topic9 18:45:47 DanC: I'm conflicted... I'm not sure I'll be able to go. If I could go, I'd like it to happen. 18:46:16 ACTION DanC: to write a report on the state of the art authentication in the web [continues] 18:46:20 Zakim, next item 18:46:20 agendum 4. "authentication" taken up [from DanC] 18:46:26 Zakim, take up item 5 18:46:26 agendum 5. "namespaceDocument-8" taken up [from DanC] 18:46:28 Zakim, take up item 6 18:46:28 agendum 6. "versioning, esp. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0136.html" taken up 18:50:40 q+ to say we're not in 100% total agreement on the use of the term "language" 18:52:50 +Dave_Orchard 18:55:23 ACTION: DanC to derive RDF/RDFS/OWL version of terminology from whiteboard / 18:56:32 violet 18:56:35 ty 18:57:20 FYI: http://www.horstmann.com/violet/ 18:57:30 ack noah 18:57:30 noah, you wanted to say we're not in 100% total agreement on the use of the term "language" 18:58:37 I think stringset is what we got in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/09/22-diagram1.png 18:59:37 noah: I think we should set down instructions on how we should read that diagram we had on the white board 19:00:33 brb 19:00:45 DC: tx for feedback... this week and next are kinda shot, but the following week might work 19:01:02 meanwhile... ACTION DaveO to update finding with ext/vers 19:03:04 DC: I guess my target is to tell this "HTML 2 sublanguage of HTML4" story 19:06:01 DO: ok, let's hope that folds into the finding 19:06:30 Zakim, close item 4 19:06:30 agendum 4, authentication, closed 19:06:31 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 19:06:32 6. versioning, esp. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0136.html 19:06:35 Zakim, close item 6 19:06:35 agendum 6, versioning, esp. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0136.html, closed 19:06:37 I see nothing remaining on the agenda 19:06:37 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2005/03/action-summary.html 19:07:22 Topic: action review 19:07:38 NM: I see my CDF review action marked done. 19:08:46 RF: made a little progress on mime/respect item. (RF to update Authoritative Metadata finding to include resolution of putMediaType-38) 19:09:00 -Dave_Orchard 19:09:08 ADJOURN. 19:09:16 -Norm 19:09:17 -noah 19:09:18 -DanC 19:09:22 -Ed 19:35:00 disconnecting the lone participant, Roy_Fielding, in TAG_Weekly()12:30PM 19:35:05 TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has ended 19:35:06 Attendees were DanC, Ed, Norm, [IBMCambridge], noah, Roy_Fielding, Dave_Orchard 21:31:20 Zakim has left #tagmem 23:20:06 Norm has joined #tagmem