Social Web Working Group Teleconference
10 Jan 2017
See also: IRC log
- tantek, aaronpk, rhiaro, cwebber
- Summary of Action Items
- Summary of Resolutions
New telecon time
tantek: We seem to have a 50% success rate compared to previous telecons
... which is not great
rhiaro: maybe we didn't announce it well enough..
tantek: I think this time is better personally
aaronpk: me too
tantek: clearly midnight is better than 2am for rhiaro
<cwebber> it's fine :)
tantek: let's at least confirm for those of us who are here that we like this time
... could you double check with sarven why he's not here?
... aaronpk, can you reach out to julien?
... I'll reach out to evan
... presumably if this is a notification problem rather than a time problem we'll stick with the current time and see what we find out
... That being said, let's look at the february dates and figure out a good date for that one
<tantek> options: 7 14 21 28
rhiaro: 28th I can't
tantek: possibly not 7th
aaronpk: all fine for me
tantek: on 21st I'm in Germany
... 21st is possible, but I worry about travelling
... slight preference for not 21st, but I could make it if necessary
<rhiaro> 14th is a month from now, so..
<cwebber> what are we talking about?
<cwebber> a f2f?
<cwebber> telecon, oh ok
<cwebber> any date but the 7th
tantek: we're picking a date pending confirmation of time from others
... I'm totally okay with 14th
<rhiaro> Fine by me
<tantek> Proposed: February telcon on 2017-02-14
RESOLUTION: February telcon on 2017-02-14
Webmention rec status
rhiaro: webmention rec delayed til thursday
tantek: congratulations, good to get our first rec out
getting CRs to PR
AS2 and AP
tantek: cwebber, how are they going in your opinion?
... Test coverage and implementations
cwebber: I don't have a lot to report, but I will by next month. I was laying down infrastructure
... I expect to have a lot to show by next month's meeting
tantek: awesome. one thing we're trying to do with this charter extension is trying to see how much we can get done with just telecons
... we haven't scheduled any f2f meetings. Doesn't mean we can't
... If we feel like that would help get us over the hump with transitioning, I think that would be a good justification for scheduling a f2f
... Checking out and trying out implementations works well in person
... As you're getting these specs through CR to PR, consider whether it would be helpful for you to have a f2f to show that the tests and implementations interoperate, and resolve any outstanding issues
<cwebber> bali sounds like quite the hop...
rhiaro: Tests are almost done, receiver is complete
... lots of upcoming implementations
... and quite a few alreayd listed
aaronpk: I can't remember the last time we looked at these
... seven complete implementations
... two that look like people tried to submit but didnt' get very far
... In terms of issues there's just some editorial
... and one from tantek about mentioning prior art, same we did with webmention/websub
tantek: test suite?
aaronpk: it's complete for servers and there's no actual tests on clients yet
tantek: plan for testing clients?
aaronpk: documented in issue on the test suite repo
<tantek> issue link?
aaronpk: this will be part of my publishing something related to socialwg stuff every day
tantek: estimate for how long that might take?
aaronpk: like two months because I'md oign websub tests as well
tantek: have any issues been coming in since CR that we need to process?
... or all things you can handle as editor?
<cwebber> I think I can handle what's come in
rhiaro: only editorial changes on LDN
cwebber: I havne't been paying attention to AS2, but for AP they're all things I can handle
tantek: so far non-normative?
tantek: If we do have updated CR with editorial changes I think we can do that
... without extending CR
rhiaro: yeah we can if it doens't affect implementations
tantek: or if we have to restart the 4 weeks they need more time for tests anyway so it won't slow them down
... we can cross that line at the next telecon
... so go ahead and resolve your issues and edit in EDs
... and obviously if you have any questions, feel free to raise it for discussion
... It's probably worht publishing updated CR with the edits, good rhythm and shows we're being responsive
... any normative issues on micropub?
tantek: how is test suite and implementations?
aaronpk: No submissions yet
... people have been using the test suite cos I"ve had issues reported on it
... no new updates on functionality yet though
... In terms of issues on the spec, we're waiting for commenter on a couple of them
... an outstanding one from last f2f that I'm working on right now
... a new one from last week, that's a question
... and one assigned to julien, havne't heard from him for a while
... nothing to discuss here
tantek: non-normative or?
aaronpk: i think we don't know yet for some
tantek: is there a chance you can collaborate with julien to determine whether these issues have normative impact or not?
... and if they do, propose edits accordingly by the 14th?
aaronpk: yeah definitely
tantek: we could resovle to publish a new CR at the new telecon including those edits if there are no objections
... and if we get new issues from implementors for any specs, propose normative edits and propose them we can accept them and publish them as updated CR
... aaronpk, add an entry for websub into document status page
... I'm not seeing it
aaronpk: oh, okya
<tantek> reviewing https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg#sched
tantek: reviewing schedule we made as part of our charter extension proposal
... Sounds like we're pushing out PRs at least a month from what was planned
... WHich is okay, just want to ack
... Except AP, we had definitely planned for that to be later
... For each one of these we should be trying to... sounds like we won't be ready for PR in February
... except possibly LDN
... But we can't predict that we can enter PR for any of these, but let's a tleast get updated CRs published and aim to enter PR in March
... and if LDN comes in ahead of schedule that's great let's do that sooner
... but not let specs hold each other back
<cwebber> sounds right
tantek: except moving AS2 and AP together
... Sound right?
... So if we're trying to go to PR in march, that might be a tiem we'd consider having a f2f
... We need to annoucne a f2f some weeks in advance
rhiaro: I think it's 8 weeks
tantek: so either march or april, if we decide that would be useful
<cwebber> note that I'll be in boston for libreplanet again :)
tantek: how do people feel about that?
... time/resource availability?
<rhiaro> in April I'll be in Australia
cwebber: libreplanet is march 25-26 at MIT
tantek: so one possiblity would be a f2f right before or right after
cwebber: good for me
tantek: we know we can get space at MIT
... timing with libreplanet is good
... anyone else have any paritcular feelings about locatino or time? (not that we have to have one..)
... but if we start thinking about it now it's more likely to work out
<ben_thatmustbeme> obviously, MIT always works well for me
aaronpk: west coast works better for me, but I can probably make MIT work
<ben_thatmustbeme> are we able to have one since we said we would not be having one in our extension?
rhiaro: I couldn't make it to MIT but could do remote the week before libreplanet but not after
tantek: we said we didn't plan to ahve one, but could resolve to
<ben_thatmustbeme> ahh okay
<tantek> ben_thatmustbeme: we discussed (see above in IRC) that we could choose to have one optionally, especially if we thought it would help with the push from CR to PR for our specs
tantek: the week of March 20-24 is a possible time range for a f2f at MIT
... If we decide in time that that would help
... anything going on in april that anyone would be conveniently travelling near to?
... I have a CSS WG f2f in tokyo april 19-21
... so I could make it to australia before or after that... but I'm gonna guess that's nto the limiting factor for australia
... aaronpk and cwebber: any chance you could make it?
aaronpk & cwebber: pretty slim
scribe: budgetory issue
tantek: doesn't look like we'llg et to australia
cwebber: west coast is probably feasible, just another flight added to the mix
... I'd have to look at budget
tantek: we also have julien on the east coast
... evan tends to pop back and forth, so I presume he could make either
... depending on dates
... I could host in Mozilla if we did it west coast
... and we did last f2f at east coast
... any date ranges better or worse for people?
... okay if we don't know, can discuss in february
aaronpk: I have to go but will catch up on irc later
tantek: I think this is th elast topic
tantek: thanks everyone. Next telecon set, feb 14th
8am pacific, 11 eastern, 16 utc
tantek: good luck everyone