W3C/IETF mutual review expectations
Mark Nottingham <email@example.com>, Thomas Roessler <firstname.lastname@example.org>
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Occasionally, W3C and IETF produce specifications in close cooperation, sometimes marked by a significant formal dependency beween the specifications. A recent example is the websockets protocol and API specifications produced by the IETF hybi and W3C web applications working groups.
W3C and IETF have similar, but not identical processes; some stages have identical names ("Last Call" in particular), but come with different expectations.
The processes referred to in this document are documented in:
- RFC 2026, The Internet Standards Process, as updated
- RFC 2418, IETF Working Group Guidelines and Procedures
- W3C Process Document
Goals and Scope
The goal of this document is to establish mutual review expectations and responsibilities for W3C and IETF specifications with close dependencies. The scope of this document is limited to the phases of the IETF process leading up to publication of a document as Proposed Standard, and to the phases of the W3C process leading up to publication of a document as Candidate Recommendation, or as Proposed Recommendation if the Candidate Recommendation step is skipped.
Both of these process steps correspond to publication of a document for initial implementation. In both cases, WGs may decide to further iterate documents (possibly returning to Last Call and Candidate Recommendation several times), or to make certain changes as a result of implementation experience that are incorporated as a document proceeds further along the standards track. Where that is the case, groups should fail in favor of mutual review and transparency.
This document collects current experience and provides guidance for WG chairs and other parties involved in work at the W3C and IETF on how to orchestrate the respective processes. It does not add new obligations to either process.
Context: The W3C/IETF liaison relationship
Working groups on both the W3C and IETF side have WG chairs who are responsible for managing the day-to-day operation of the group.
The liaison relationship between the IETF and the W3C is managed by the IAB and the W3C staff, respectively. Traditionally, the IAB assigns one or several individuals from the IETF community as IETF liaisons to the W3C, and one or several W3C staff members serve as the W3C's liaisons to the IETF. The relationship mostly operates through regular telephone conferences (typically in the run-up to major meetings), e-mail discussions on the firstname.lastname@example.org mailing list, and through attendance of major meetings. Formal liaison statements are used under exceptional circumstances.
The liaison telephone conferences are attended by the assigned liaisons from both sides. The IETF Application Area Directors and the W3C Director have standing invitations to join the liaison meetings. IAB members may join the meetings.
Other individuals with specific expertise participate at the invitation of the liaisons.
It is appropriate to copy the (archived) email@example.com mailing list on relevant communications between IETF and W3C participants. The archives of this list serve to document agreements about review time lines, scopes, and issues.
The W3C/IETF liaison team is generally involved in chartering negotiations that require mutual review. The liaison team keeps an online list of WGs to which the coordination expectations in this document apply at W3cIetfCoordinatedWGs.
Working Group Coordination
Specification Development before Last Call
Working Group coordination is expected to be largely informal and on a technical level. Where groups have closely related deliverables, overlap between working groups and direct collaboration between document editors are useful instruments toward ensuring appropriate coordination.
Responsibility for this day-to-day relationship lies with the respective Working Group chairs. The formal liaisons are available to facilitate introductions and enable chairs to discharge this responsibility appropriately.
Moving to Last Call
Where documents have dependencies that create mutual review expectations, Working Groups should align their Last Call time lines.
In the IETF process, the decision to request IETF Last Call is often preceded by a Working Group Last Call; issuing a Working Group Last Call is at the discretion of the WG chair.
In the W3C process, the decision to request W3C Last Call is often preceded by a cooling off period during which the WG has no particular open issues to work on, but leaves a window for participants to perform a final review.
The goal of this document is to ensure that substantive technical cross-review occurs before IETF Last Call or W3C Last Call is requested, but at a stage where specifications are stable enough for outside review. When exactly that threshold is crossed is at the discretion of the WG chairs.
Therefore, Working Group chairs work with their peers in the other organization to ensure that the respective specifications have received substantive mutual review before they request W3C and IETF Last Call.
This goal can be achieved by requesting outside review during the equivalent of WG Last Call.
Requests for review are most useful if they include pointers at the relevant drafts, set expectations about open issues and stability of the documents, and give a time line during which review comments will be expected.
Working Group chairs cannegotiate other mechanisms and specific time lines (including joint meetings, joint editors, earlier review schedules, ...) that ensure the same goal of mutual review. To ensure useful coordination, such negotiations often involve the W3C and IETF liaison team, the W3C staff contacts, and the relevant Area Directors (or their designees).
The chosen review mechanism is best documented in a note to firstname.lastname@example.org; where a formal exchange of calls for review occurs between two groups, that call for review is appropriately copied to email@example.com.
Where mutual review leads to additional technical changes, it is the chairs' responsibility to ensure awareness by the other Working Group of these technical changes, and to negotiate time lines going forward with the assistance of the liaison team.
Last Call and Beyond
While Working Groups are welcome to exchange technical reviews during Last Call, this process is intended to produce a coherent set of specifications that permit joint external review prior to entering Last Call. Therefore, we expect major last call comments between W3C and IETF Working Groups to be a rare occurence that is to be avoided.
In the W3C process, a W3C Last Call is ended by a Working Group requesting transition to Candidate Recommendation (or, in exceptional cases, Proposed Recommendation). A precondition to this transition is the availability of a disposition of comments that documents how the Working Group has taken Last Call comments into account. When changes made in response to Last Call comments would invalidate prior review, it is common for groups to iterate several Last Call cycles.
A W3C last call comment period lasts at least three weeks.
In the IETF process, the IESG takes comments from the IETF community for a period of at least two weeks, and can then request changes to the document, or further advance the document. (See section 8 of RFC 2418.) An IETF last call is not intended to serve as a vehicle for substantive comments.
Where W3C and IETF documents have significant mutual dependencies, W3C and IETF Last Call announcements should be notified to the chairs of the respective Working Groups, copying firstname.lastname@example.org.
The IESG's publication of a document as a Proposed Standard and the W3C's publication of a document as Candidate Recommendation (or Proposed Recommendation) should be synchronized, and the time line planned in advance.
This planning discussion appropriately occurs on an IETF/W3C liaison call that is attended by the relevant Area Directors and Working Group chairs.
It is the responsibility of the Working Group chairs on both sides to request this agenda item in a note to the email@example.com mailing list, as they plan for Last Call. The W3C and IETF liaisons will track these requests, and will ensure that the necessary participants attend the requisite liaison calls.