HCLSIG BioRDF Subgroup/Meetings/2008-03-31 Conference Call

Conference Details

Date of Call: Monday March 31, 2008
Time of Call: 11:00am Eastern Time
Dial-In #: +1.617.761.6200 (Cambridge, MA)
Dial-In #: +33.4.89.06.34.99 (Nice, France)
Dial-In #: +44.117.370.6152 (Bristol, UK)
Participant Access Code: 246733 ("BIORDF")
IRC Channel: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #BioRDF (see W3C IRC page for details, or see Web IRC)
Duration: ~1 hour
Convener: Susie
Scribe: Holger

Agenda

Focus on DSI note - Kerstin, Bo, etc.
Update on SenseLab and KB note - Scott, Matthias
Update on HCLS panel at WWW - Susie
AOB

Minutes

<Zakim> On the phone I see Susie, Kei_Cheung, Bo.Anderssen, EricP, Kerstin_Forsberg, hotel_stenzhorn, +003120416aaaa, Sean_Martin
<Zakim> On IRC I see kei, mscottm, RRSAgent, Zakim, holger_stenzhorn, Susie, ericP
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: call focus on DSI note
<holger_stenzhorn> and on other notes such as Senselab note
<holger_stenzhorn> and on the panel of the HCLS workshop at WWW
<holger_stenzhorn> Eric N not able to dial in
<holger_stenzhorn> move forward best as we can in termns of decisions
<holger_stenzhorn> Kerstin spent a lot of work in this effort
<holger_stenzhorn> Kerstin: pity to have Eric not online
<holger_stenzhorn> I have been doing work on this - CDISC and information standards
<holger_stenzhorn> I tried incorporate in detail level the information models
<holger_stenzhorn> but what is missing is a description of the actual purpose
<holger_stenzhorn> We have to decide if we continue the paper...
<holger_stenzhorn> and focus it rather on a kind of a problem description
<holger_stenzhorn> Bosse: agreement on the purpose to communicate the actual purpose better
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: good nuggets inside the document and it would be a shamne not to publish the document
<holger_stenzhorn> very keen to move it forward
<holger_stenzhorn> but not read the paper thoroughly enough
<holger_stenzhorn> but I was not sure what the actual goal of the paper was
<holger_stenzhorn> there was not "we need to do this and why this is really urgent"
<holger_stenzhorn> a lot of this paper is alligned with the work Ruberg with CDISC
<holger_stenzhorn> Kerstion: discussion o n the paper started over a year ago
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: get Steve Ruberg - as CDISC expert - more involved and let him guide us
<holger_stenzhorn> Kerstin: make Steven more aware about the SW tehnologies
<holger_stenzhorn> Suisie: show why a better designed SDTM would be of a good value
<holger_stenzhorn> show the CDISC guys what the SW can provide for them
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: maybe as a next step - we could try to arrange a call with Eric at a time that suits him
<holger_stenzhorn> then if that proposla does not work out we hjave to do our own thing (without Steven)
<holger_stenzhorn> I as thinking that a better definition of data elements would be a good start
<holger_stenzhorn> and show what the SW could provide
<holger_stenzhorn> Bo: I like the proposal
<holger_stenzhorn> that we start by talking to Eric and what he thinks about this
<holger_stenzhorn> we also have Steven Goodson from Pfizer
<holger_stenzhorn> he was active while we were active in DSI group
<holger_stenzhorn> I can see quite some goud things in Susie's proposal
<holger_stenzhorn> EricP: overlap with the work in COI but a little different goal
<holger_stenzhorn> in COI a helth care model and clinical research model
<holger_stenzhorn> and show how to migrite the data between the two
<holger_stenzhorn> overlap between COI and what we are doing a little less
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: so COI moved basically from finding candiates for clinical trials?
<holger_stenzhorn> EricP: no, that is still the use case but the use case has been expanded a bit
<holger_stenzhorn> if you look at their stuff it gets close to the things we want to describe in out paper
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: ask COI people to further collaboration
<Susie> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dthvctw_5fwwwprc3&hl=en
<holger_stenzhorn> Holger: I am in COI an can contribute too
<holger_stenzhorn> It works for me
<holger_stenzhorn> I need write access to the document
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie:I will give you access
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: It would be a shame to drop this paper - so we have to continue working on that
<holger_stenzhorn> Scott: we have to have a joint call with COI
<holger_stenzhorn> because I am loosing touch with the things that they do
<holger_stenzhorn> but they do things that are highly relevant to us to
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: (agreement)
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: invite Vipul to come and talk at the BioRDF call
<holger_stenzhorn> time problems - for me and others
<holger_stenzhorn> perhaps the week after the WWW conf
<holger_stenzhorn> next up in the agenda:
<holger_stenzhorn> ErciP: reworked the images on the KB article
<holger_stenzhorn> problems with senselab images
<ericP> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/hcls/notes/kb/master.svg
<holger_stenzhorn> (not image but query)
<ericP>
<holger_stenzhorn> ...and images
<holger_stenzhorn> it might be worth waiting some more days
<holger_stenzhorn> to make more clear to the reader to make clear the senselab stuff
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: does this round of HCLS end at the end of may?
<holger_stenzhorn> EricP: but does this boundary matter?
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: we have four more weeks ,left
<holger_stenzhorn> go for publication today and see if people understand it
<holger_stenzhorn> Suie: can you fix everuthing up over the next couple of days and then publish
<holger_stenzhorn> EricP: working on the images for the last few days
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: aim for publishing on Thrusday
<holger_stenzhorn> EricP is asware of all the steps that are needed
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: I will check the doc a bit and provide feedback
<mscottm> Eric - I can only linger if we're done early. I've got a parent-teacher conference after this
<holger_stenzhorn> moving on in the agenda
<holger_stenzhorn> Panel at the WWW
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: we made quite a progress in the panel
<holger_stenzhorn> we have a full set of panelists line up
<holger_stenzhorn> we have the keynote speakers to the panelists
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: agreement of 2 minutes into by the panelists to themselves
<holger_stenzhorn> today I want to get feedback on questions that we can give to the panelists
<holger_stenzhorn> 5 question proposed by me
<holger_stenzhorn> I can email those question in advance to the panelists
<holger_stenzhorn> EricP: but the ordering of the question might elucidate different answers from the people
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: perhaps some of the questions could be asked twice
<holger_stenzhorn> to see if the answers changed between the interfering questions
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: so is the order ok?
<Susie> •What is the status of the Semantic Web for HCLS in Asia? How is it similar or different to that of communities in North America and Europe?
<Susie> •What can be done to increase the sharing of knowledge in this domain around the world?
<Susie> •Where are the key spots where we’ll get the most return from data integration efforts?
<Susie> •What can be done to better integrate between health care and life science?
<Susie> •What are the social barriers to data integration at the individual and enterprise levels?
<Susie> •Is there a role for Semantics with relational databases?
<holger_stenzhorn> Key: does the cultural question include language barriers as well?
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: yes - all different aspects can be included in this question
<holger_stenzhorn> language and cultural questions
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: anything else we have to think about for the workshop?
<holger_stenzhorn> who does moderate the WS, who kicks it off and who closes it?
<holger_stenzhorn> I send a mail around with people to choose from
<holger_stenzhorn> Susie: we are done then
<holger_stenzhorn> EricP and Mathais, Scott talk on about the documents