HCLSIG BioRDF Subgroup/Meetings/2007-09-10 Conference Call

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Conference Details

  • Date of Call: Monday September 10, 2007
  • Time of Call: 11:00am Eastern Time
  • Dial-In #: +1.617.761.6200 (Cambridge, MA)
  • Dial-In #: + (Nice, France)
  • Dial-In #: +44.117.370.6152 (Bristol, UK)
  • Participant Access Code: 246733 ("BIORDF")
  • IRC Channel: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #BioRDF (see W3C IRC page for details, or see Web IRC)
  • Duration: ~1 hour
  • Convener: Susie Stephens
  • Scribe: Don Doherty


  • URI note - Jonathan - see /UriNoteStatus
  • Demo extensions - Alan
  • Documentation of SenseLab conversion - Kei
  • SfN Poster Update - Don
  • AOB


<ericP> Zakim, this is BioRDF <Zakim> ok, ericP; that matches SW_HCLS(BioRDF)11:00AM

  • ericP damn straight it does

<ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made <Zakim> +EricP <ericP> Zakim, who is here? <Zakim> On the phone I see susie, Don_Doherty, [Microsoft], ??P15, Kei_Cheung, Jonathan_Rees, EricP <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, matthiassamwald, eneumann, Don, Susie, jar286, ericP <ericP> Zakim, mute ericP <Zakim> EricP should now be muted <ericP> Zakim, unmute ericP <Zakim> EricP should no longer be muted <jar286> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Tasks/URI_Best_Practices/Recommendations/MeaningOfaTerm <Don> [JR] HCLS URI Recommendations - What story to we give about LSID? <Don> [SS] My understanding was that we wouldn't explicitly discuss LSIDs in doc. <Don> [SS] Why does JR feel it's essential to mention LSIDs? <Don> [JR] People are using LSIDs. <Zakim> +Eric_Neumann <Don> [JR] Why is HCLS ignoring work taken place four years ago? We should consider the good work people did on LSIDs. <Don> [JR] Some problems were solved by LSID folks. We can mention those without pushing LSIDs. <Don> [EP] We shouldn't provide multiple possiblities. We should just recommend one. <Don> [SS] Learn from LSIDs but don't explicitly mention them. <Zakim> + +1.514.683.aaaa <Don> [JR] We should form a group or task force to drill into these issues in more detail. <Don> [JR] Maybe a reinvention of LSID solutions within the HTTP space. <Susie> http://www.w3.org/2007/06/HCLSForm

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<eneumann> q+

  • Zakim sees eneumann on the speaker queue

<Don> [SS] How is the URI document coming along? <Don> [JR] I have a revised work plan. <jar286> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Tasks/URI_Best_Practices/Work_Plan <Don> [SS] Jonathan is looking for feedback on the document he sent out yesterday. <Don> [SS] Feedback will enable Jonathan to move forward on the work plan (URL above) <Don> [AR] It might be worth spliting out the producer and client sides. <Don> [AR] Client and producer expectations need to match. These are first impressions on document Jonathan sent out. <eneumann> q?

  • Zakim sees eneumann on the speaker queue

<Don> [SS] Once we've agreed on the technical part we can go to vendors, etc. [ericP(ericP@] "Susan"? <Don> [EN] If we go back to the original HCLS document, we are the bridge between technical and social. <Don> [EN] We need to figure out what are the social constraints. <jar286> TDWG just became LSID committed.... that's a biggy <Don> [EN] Has anyone been monitoring growth and content of LSID sites versus HTTP? <Don> [EN] What is the best way for people to quickly adopt a connectible model? <Don> [EN] Some orgs adopted LSID internally. <Don> [AR] Good idea. And we need to know what they're doing with LSIDs. <Don> [AR] How they're doing it, what their use cases are, etc. <jar286> lsids are uris <Don> [AR] Uniprot is using URIs. <Don> [SS] The next version of Uniprot will be available in RDF. <eneumann> I do think Rolf A is using Eric Jain's model <jar286> you mean http uris. (lsids are uris too.) <matthiassamwald> beta.uniprot.org makes all datasets available as RDF which uses the PURLs. <Don> Thank you Mathias <jar286> What exactly is meant by 'a PURL'? something served by PURL software? something hosted by OCLC? ... <Don> [JR] The URI draft is only covering a part of the issue so far. <matthiassamwald> Sorry, I was unclear: it uses the http://purl.uniprot.org/ namespace. <matthiassamwald> That's all. <Don> [JR] If we're going to use shared names, then some organization will need to <Don> [JR] post names or provide standard names. <Don> [EP] Recommend that URIs should have the following characteristics. <Don> [EP] Get the requirements out first. Then how we figure out how <Don> [EP] to meet the requirements. <Don> [SS] Next week Jonathan will discuss the Wiki page. <Don> [SS] Alan...updates on Demo? <Don> [AR] Request about querying anatomy <Don> [AR] Updated Demo page with sample query. <Don> [AR] Jonathan put RDF mostly in one place <jar286> Don's 11:33 remark should be a reference to "Meaning of a Term", not to a "URI draft" <jar286> "Meaning of a Term" talks only about the client perspective, not minting or publishing <jar286> or URIs for public database records <Don> [SS] Semantic Web students are creating ontologies. <Don> [SS] Experimental design and clinical trial ontologies. <Don> [AR] Is the intention that one will be able to reproduce the conversion in code? <Don> [MS] Should enable people to do same with their own DB <Don> [AR] Working code is more valuable than discussion. <Zakim> -Eric_Neumann <Don> Neurosciences meeting is November 3 through November 7 in San Diego, CA <Don>www.sfn.org <ericP> Neurosciences meeting overlaps with W3C Technical Plenary November 5 to 10 <Don> Eric N...what is the command to save notes? <eneumann> rrsagent, draft minutes <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/10-BioRDF-minutes.html eneumann <Don> Thank you! <eneumann> No problem. <Don> [SS] I'm thinking that the Face-2-Face is at the tech plenary.