{minutes} TTWG Meeting 20/2/2014

Available at http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-tt-minutes.html



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                Timed Text Working Group Teleconference

20 Feb 2014

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-tt-irc


Attendees

   Present
          +1.720.897.aaaa, Mike, Plh, glenn, jdsmith, nigel, pal,
          plh, tmichel

   Regrets
          andreas

   Chair
          nigel

   Scribe
          plh

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Charter
         2. [5]Action items
         3. [6]Overdue action items
         4. [7]Change proposals
     * [8]Summary of Action Items
     __________________________________________________________

   <trackbot> Date: 20 February 2014

   <nigel> scribeNick: plh

Charter

   plh: the charter is out

   <nigel> [9]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html


      [9] http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html


   plh: deadline is March 20

   <nigel> [10]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/ttml-charter-diff.html


     [10] http://www.w3.org/2014/02/ttml-charter-diff.html


   plh: it isn't perfect but comments by the deadline

   Nigel: you had to make some changes.

   plh: some text moved to 2.1

   " As needed, the Group will also coordinate with the HTML
   Accessibility Task Force and the HTML Working Group to
   contribute how to interoperably implement described video with
   the Open Web Platform. "

   [..]

   Glenn: it's appendix N, we talk about dilation and narrowing of
   the time
   ... parameter called played rate
   ... we didn't really work out the all business of played rate
   yet but it's there

   Nigel: timeline?

   plh: HTML 5.1 is the target here. end of the year for LC

   Nigel: it's simply a change to the audio track
   ... no other change

   plh: make sure to have a fresh look at the charter
   ... for the milestones, please have a fresh at them

   Thierry: some phases are unrealistic. like LC for first
   deliverable. we're squeezing those by Feb 2015.
   ... why squeeze everything in the first year and have nothing
   after that for a year?

   Nigel: everybody is keen to make progress and don't want to see
   too long of a delay
   ... unless we make a significant acceleration, we won't reach
   LC by April 2014

   Thierry: LC and CR for WebVTT are too closed
   ... one month to address comments is unrealistic
   ... unless we expect 0 comment

   Nigel: we don't have the WebVTT folks around
   ... we can put that to them
   ... they're working on their FSA process
   ... to serve as a starting point as soon as the charter is
   approved
   ... they'll be very few changes between charter approval and LC
   ... and they're thinking is that comments will be already
   addressed by the time they get into LC
   ... if anybody needs longer to review WebVTT, they should raise
   that point

Action items

   action-244?

   <trackbot> action-244 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Proceed with
   work to investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback
   is to remove annex a. -- due 2013-12-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot>
   [11]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/244


     [11] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/244


   issue-295?

   <trackbot> issue-295 -- Remove code point restrictions from
   IMSC -- open

   <trackbot>
   [12]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/295


     [12] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/295


   Nigel: Glenn, did you review the edits?

   Glenn: not yet. will get that done in the next couple of days.
   ... ttml is back on the top of my queue

   ACTION-244: waiting on Glenn to confirm the edits

   <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-244 Proceed with work to
   investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback is to
   remove annex a..

   action-257?

   <trackbot> action-257 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Create a new
   issue to split these out for tracking. -- due 2014-01-23 --
   OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [13]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/257


     [13] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/257


   issue-205?

   <trackbot> issue-205 -- TTML probably shouldn't have adopted
   xml:id instead of id. -- pending review

   <trackbot>
   [14]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/205


     [14] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/205


   Nigel: there was a proposal to reintroduce id, but it got
   withdrawn?

   Glenn: yes, no other request. I'll like to drop it

   Nigel: objection to close it?

   close issue-205

   <trackbot> Closed issue-205.

   action-203?

   <trackbot> action-203 -- Glenn Adams to Investigate 708 border
   style mapping issues with mike's help -- due 2013-09-26 --
   PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot>
   [15]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/203


     [15] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/203


   Glenn: I couldn't nail down the intent of this action
   ... so I suggested to take no action

   Mike: it was raise by plh about a mismatch between 708 border
   style and CSS

   Glenn: I don't believe we have border support in TTML
   ... we use shadow and outline for text
   ... but nothing about border

   Mike: let's assume this is text and not region for a moment.
   708 have specific styles that can't be represented by TTML
   ... I offered to help frame the problem but this is not my
   issue

   <nigel> [16]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015


     [16] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015


   Nigel: change proposal 15 mentions shadow, outline and border
   on text and regions
   ... it lists some issues related to this
   ... if Mike was able to describe 708 style, it would be helpful

   Mike: I can enumerate text edge style from 708

   plh: i'll look into this issue to make it clearer

   (action reassigned to plh)

   action-262?

   <trackbot> action-262 -- Nigel Megitt to Update relevant change
   proposal to include row alignment requirement and potential css
   solution based on action-233 findings -- due 2014-01-23 --
   PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot>
   [17]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/262


     [17] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/262


   Nigel: I added that into change proposal 15
   ... that's in the section called "multiple row alignment"

   [18]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015#multiple_row

   _alignment_.28flex_box_in_CSS_mapping.29

     [18] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015#multiple_row_alignment_.28flex_box_in_CSS_mapping.29


   <mike> re edge styles, see:
   [19]https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/191


     [19] https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/191


   Nigel: if people thinks we need more details, let me know
   ... otherwise we can close it

   close action-262

   <trackbot> Closed action-262.

   Nigel back to issue-203

   Nigel: issue-191 says that it was implemented

   Mike: but it wasn't resolved technically

   Nigel: Glenn indicated that he fixed it

   [20]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/b119224bba98


     [20] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/b119224bba98

   Glenn: I added an appendix to SDP as part of the resolution
   ... "Additional character edge features for raised, depressed,
   and drop shadowed edges are suggested for consideration in a
   future version of TTML."
   ... I believe we have an issue to add text shadow property and
   deprecate text outline property
   ... the new text shadow should be sufficient

   Nigel: we'll leave 203 open for plh
   ... Mike might want to add information

   action-264?

   <trackbot> action-264 -- Nigel Megitt to Ensure all p1 and p2
   issues not closed belong in a change proposal -- due 2014-01-23
   -- PENDINGREVIEW

   <trackbot>
   [21]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/264


     [21] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/264


   Nigel: did these
   ... any further points to raise?

   close action-264

   <trackbot> Closed action-264.

Overdue action items

   close action-251

   <trackbot> Closed action-251.

   action-251?

   <trackbot> action-251 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Copy the wiki
   pages donated by web&tv in the tt wiki -- due 2013-12-18 --
   CLOSED

   <trackbot>
   [22]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/251


     [22] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/251


   Nigel: the slash at the end makes a different
   ... so I moved it

   <nigel>
   [23]https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/EffortsAndSpecifications


     [23] https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/EffortsAndSpecifications


   Nigel: you should fix the link in the wiki of WebTV

   <mike> action-203 updated to reference issue-191

   action-207?

   <trackbot> action-207 -- Glenn Adams to Add round-down
   clarification to "closest" language, see issue-259 -- due
   2013-09-26 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [24]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/207


     [24] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/207


   Glenn: I've been working on the TT validator

   action-246?

   <trackbot> action-246 -- Nigel Megitt to Take deliverables of
   draft charter to TAG for scrutiny -- due 2013-11-28 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [25]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/246


     [25] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/246


   Nigel: I'll need to look at that harder
   ... I'll wait until approval for that

Change proposals

   Nigel: the only one is change proposal 15
   ... I added the box declaration break example
   ... and the font face rule
   ... and multiple alignment
   ... unless there are questions, we should figure which change
   proposals folks want to take first
   ... otherwise, I'll like put change proposal 15 at the top of
   our list
   ... regarding the timelines, we'll need to accelerate a bit

   plh: we should have milestones on the agenda

   Glenn: we may need to adjust them

   NigeL I could take this offline with Glenn as well

   Glenn: sure

   <scribe> ACTION: Nigel to estimate timelines for TTML 2
   deliberables with Glenn [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-tt-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-268 - Estimate timelines for ttml 2
   deliberables with glenn [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-02-27].

   Nigel: otherwise are welcome to pitch in as well

   [adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Nigel to estimate timelines for TTML 2
   deliberables with Glenn [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-tt-minutes.html#action01]

   [End of minutes]
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