{minutes} TTML Meeting of 17/10/13

Draft minutes at [1]. Text version follows.

[1] http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html

                               - DRAFT -


                Timed Text Working Group Teleconference


17 Oct 2013


   [2]Agenda


      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Oct/0040.html


   See also: [3]IRC log


      [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-irc


Attendees


   Present

          Sean, glenn, Mike, pal, mijordan, dsinger, Plh


   Regrets

   Chair

          sean


   Scribe

          glenn


Contents


     * [4]Topics

         1. [5]imsc drafts

         2. [6]ttwg charter

     * [7]Summary of Action Items

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   <trackbot> Date: 17 October 2013


   <Sean> trackbot, start meeting


   <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference


   <trackbot> Date: 17 October 2013


   <scribe> scribenick: glenn


   ISSUE-275?


   <trackbot> ISSUE-275 -- Improve compatibility with line height

   'normal' and CSS/XSL-FO implementations. -- closed


   <trackbot>

   [8]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/275


      [8] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/275


   sean: anything more on this?


   mike: no need to reopen, can process open issues on this (283)


   ISSUE-283?


   <trackbot> ISSUE-283 -- Deterministic text wrapping and

   presentation -- open


   <trackbot>

   [9]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/283


      [9] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/283


   glenn: let's discuss 284 first


   ISSUE-284?


   <trackbot> ISSUE-284 -- value of lineHeight -- raised


   <trackbot>

   [10]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/284


     [10] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/284


   sean: this is mostly related to ttml2 which is now being

   prescriptive instead of a recommendation

   ... we could make this (the percentage) a rec in ttml2 as well,

   so there would be no conformance issue


   <Dsinger> It maps to a specific value on each platform, but

   maybe not the same value...


   <scribe> ACTION: glenn to change to rec in ttml2, and add note

   to authors indicating that if author wants specific value, then

   they should specify specific value [recorded in

   [11]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action01]


   <trackbot> Created ACTION-219 - Change to rec in ttml2, and add

   note to authors indicating that if author wants specific value,

   then they should specify specific value [on Glenn Adams - due

   2013-10-24].


   [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Oct/0010.

   html


     [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Oct/0010.html


   glenn: the above shows that the max height of all lines applies

   to the entire para


   <scribe> ACTION: pal to investigate actual CSS behavior further

   regarding whether line height of individual lines are affected

   by font size on line as opposed to maximum over paragraph

   [recorded in

   [13]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action02]


   <trackbot> Created ACTION-220 - Investigate actual css behavior

   further regarding whether line height of individual lines are

   affected by font size on line as opposed to maximum over

   paragraph [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2013-10-24].


   <scribe> ACTION: glenn to double check spec language on CSS and

   XSL-FO around line height stacking strategy [recorded in

   [14]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action03]


   <trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - Double check spec language on

   css and xsl-fo around line height stacking strategy [on Glenn

   Adams - due 2013-10-24].


   ISSUE-283?


   <trackbot> ISSUE-283 -- Deterministic text wrapping and

   presentation -- open


   <trackbot>

   [15]http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/283


     [15] http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/283


   glenn: mentions ways to support downloaded fonts, using

   mechanism similar to SMPTE-TT for background images


   <Dsinger> I also was hoping for Philippe


   <Dsinger> Am on a bus hence muted


   <Dsinger> ...and VTT


   mike: in theory, someone at W3C received a SMPTE liaison

   statment, but it thasn't shown up here


   <Dsinger> As editor I could also share 1:1 with anyone curious


   <Dsinger> Them mpeg file format folks


   <Dsinger> 14496


   <scribe> ACTION: sean to check on receipt of ISO liaison, re:

   parts 12 and 30 of 14496 [recorded in

   [16]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action04]


   <trackbot> Created ACTION-222 - Check on receipt of iso

   liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496 [on Sean Hayes - due

   2013-10-24].


   mike: suggests checking with chris lilley or jean claude duford


imsc drafts


   pal: no changes since last week

   ... has generated some issues like 283

   ... feedback in other forums (e.g., EBU)

   ... expect some changes in coming weeks

   ... nothing concrete to report today


   <Dsinger> Back. Wifi troubles


   <Dsinger> Philippe?


   <Dsinger> Bus wifi is ... Fun


   <Sean> Yes we all are waiting for Philippe


   <Sean> Does anyone have Phillipes cell number?


   <Dsinger> 617 417 9822


   <Sean> ok I will call him


   just lost my connection


   will call back


   dsinger: devices vs general platforms

   ... general platforms usually allow downloadable font resources

   ... devices more specific to per region support


   <Dsinger> For western languages there are free fonts, yes. For

   Asia, less so


   <Sean> Philippe will be here shortly


   <Dsinger> Good morning plh


   <Dsinger> Yes


   <Dsinger> Got an early bus


ttwg charter


   <Dsinger> I have mostly minor comments


   plh: have comments from pal

   ... issue about external submissions?


   <plh>

   [17]http://www.w3.org/Submission/2013/SUBM-ttml-ww-profiles-201

   30607/


     [17] http://www.w3.org/Submission/2013/SUBM-ttml-ww-profiles-20130607/


   <Dsinger> Repeat 'that'?


   <plh> TTML Text and Image Profiles for Internet Media Subtitles

   and Captions


   <Dsinger> Got it


   plh: should IMSC be added to charter?


   sean: should take opportunity to change date


   <Dsinger> Ok


   plh: will link submission from charter; title can be changed

   ... are we all agreeing about rec track for imsc?

   ... would need implementations


   sean: need to change name of TTML 1.1 to TTML2 in charter


   dsinger: some minor editorial comments


   what does "offline" media captioning mean?


   should everything be useful for described video?


   <pal> Under "Liaisons with W3C Groups", I would add the Web&TV

   IG


   sean: must is a stretch for described video


   dsinger: under deliverable 2, if "previously specified" then

   already in spec text


   pal: idea was that TTCG would keep working on "some stuff"


   <plh> remove "previously specified but now"


   plh: can say "previously unspecified features"


   <plh> fix "Text Text"


   dsinger: should say something about CSS as a mapping


   plh: already have this via "mapping" activity


   <plh> move item 6 into item 1 (TTML 2)


   dsinger: surprised that 608/708 aren't mentioned under

   deliverables


   mike: notes that SMPTE TT has done this

   ... nothing wrong with mentioning this in charter


   dsinger: can be mentioned as to be considered as opposed to new

   deliverable


   pal: plh did you catch the liaison with w3c groups?


   plh: yes


   <pal> > pal: idea was that TTCG would keep working on "some

   stuff"< that was not pal


   pal: web & tv ig


   <Dsinger> Obviously the chair name


   plh: will update no later than monday and send to list


   <Dsinger> I will forward to the CG. Don't forget to remove Sean

   as initial chair.


   <Dsinger> Yes


   <Dsinger> VTT bug 20037 is close to fixed. Then FSA


   plh: may need separate telecoms for vtt related matters


   dsinger: should be able to get enough people to participate


   plh: group can decide on need for separate telecom


   <Dsinger> Send me email and I will follow up


   <Dsinger> Email later is fine


   <plh>

   [18]http://darobin.github.io/html-ruby/snapshots/FPWD.html


     [18] http://darobin.github.io/html-ruby/snapshots/FPWD.html


   plh: how much time at TPAC on VTT?


   dsinger: should allocate at least an hour


   plh: possible sched for friday for VTT discussions

   ... pick time and send to dsinger and silvia


   <Dsinger> When send draft to AC?


   sean, dsinger: think we don't need to hold up charter for VTT

   finalization


   dsinger: let's get charter in good shape and ready to send to

   AC first

   ... can get informal comments from AC


   plh: already did this back in May


   pal: what is patent commit issue around VTT?


   dsinger: need to do FSA pass to get commits from Silvia and

   other authors

   ... need a bug fixed first

   ... 20037 in bugzilla about H/V positioning


   plh: will update charter and send out by monday

   ... then start internal review


   <Dsinger> Good


   plh: will see about sending to AC for prelim review before

   TPAC, but if not then ASAP after TPAC


   mike: how are we doing on IETF/IANA registration of TTML?


   glenn: is there a new IANA tracking number?


   plh: did resbumit with corrections before publication of

   TTML1SE

   ... will try to find tracker link and send that to WG


   <scribe> ACTION: plh to find IANA tracking number for resubmit

   of MIME type registration [recorded in

   [19]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action05]


   <trackbot> Created ACTION-223 - Find iana tracking number for

   resubmit of mime type registration [on Philippe Le Hégaret -

   due 2013-10-24].


   sean: AOB?

   ... adjourned


   trackbot, end meeting


Summary of Action Items


   [NEW] ACTION: glenn to change to rec in ttml2, and add note to

   authors indicating that if author wants specific value, then

   they should specify specific value [recorded in

   [20]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action01]

   [NEW] ACTION: glenn to double check spec language on CSS and

   XSL-FO around line height stacking strategy [recorded in

   [21]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action03]

   [NEW] ACTION: pal to investigate actual CSS behavior further

   regarding whether line height of individual lines are affected

   by font size on line as opposed to maximum over paragraph

   [recorded in

   [22]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action02]

   [NEW] ACTION: plh to find IANA tracking number for resubmit of

   MIME type registration [recorded in

   [23]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action05]

   [NEW] ACTION: sean to check on receipt of ISO liaison, re:

   parts 12 and 30 of 14496 [recorded in

   [24]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html#action04]


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