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13:49:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
13:49:53 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
13:49:54 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
13:49:54 <trackbot> Date: 17 October 2013
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13:55:49 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:55:51 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
13:55:51 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:55:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
13:55:52 <trackbot> Date: 17 October 2013
13:57:38 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has now started
13:57:45 <Zakim> +Sean
13:58:26 <Zakim> +glenn
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14:06:29 <Zakim> +[Adobe]
14:06:48 <mijordan> Zakim, Adobe is mijordan
14:06:48 <Zakim> +mijordan; got it
14:09:12 <glenn> scribenick: glenn
14:09:16 <glenn> chair: sean
14:09:43 <glenn> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Oct/0040.html
14:09:53 <glenn> ISSUE-275?
14:09:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-275 -- Improve compatibility with line height 'normal' and CSS/XSL-FO implementations. -- closed
14:09:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/275
14:10:08 <glenn> sean: anything more on this?
14:10:25 <glenn> mike: no need to reopen, can process open issues on this (283)
14:10:31 <glenn> ISSUE-283?
14:10:31 <trackbot> ISSUE-283 -- Deterministic text wrapping and presentation -- open
14:10:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/283
14:11:12 <glenn> glenn: let's discuss 284 first
14:11:16 <glenn> ISSUE-284?
14:11:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-284 -- value of lineHeight -- raised
14:11:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/284
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14:18:46 <glenn> sean: this is mostly related to ttml2 which is now being prescriptive instead of a recommendation
14:19:04 <Zakim> +dsinger
14:21:57 <glenn> sean: we could make this (the percentage) a rec in ttml2 as well, so there would be no conformance issue
14:23:34 <Dsinger> It maps to a specific value on each platform, but maybe not the same value...
14:23:50 <glenn> action: glenn to change to rec in ttml2, and add note to authors indicating that if author wants specific value, then they should specify specific value
14:23:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-219 - Change to rec in ttml2, and add note to authors indicating that if author wants specific value, then they should specify specific value [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-10-24].
14:27:49 <glenn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Oct/0010.html
14:28:12 <Dsinger> Zakim, mute dsinger
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14:28:24 <glenn> glenn: the above shows that the max height of all lines applies to the entire para
14:32:27 <glenn> action: pal to investigate actual CSS behavior further regarding whether line height of individual lines are affected by font size on line as opposed to maximum over paragraph
14:32:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-220 - Investigate actual css behavior further regarding whether line height of individual lines are affected by font size on line as opposed to maximum over paragraph [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2013-10-24].
14:33:06 <glenn> action: glenn to double check spec language on CSS and XSL-FO around line height stacking strategy
14:33:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - Double check spec language on css and xsl-fo around line height stacking strategy [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-10-24].
14:34:23 <glenn> ISSUE-283?
14:34:23 <trackbot> ISSUE-283 -- Deterministic text wrapping and presentation -- open
14:34:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/283
14:38:02 <glenn> glenn: mentions ways to support downloaded fonts, using mechanism similar to SMPTE-TT for background images
14:38:30 <Dsinger> I also was hoping for Philippe
14:38:45 <Dsinger> Am on a bus hence muted
14:39:02 <Dsinger> ...and VTT
14:39:07 <glenn> mike: in theory, someone at W3C received a SMPTE liaison statment, but it thasn't shown up here
14:39:33 <Dsinger> As editor I could also share 1:1 with anyone curious
14:40:16 <Dsinger> Them mpeg file format folks
14:40:21 <Dsinger> 14496
14:40:27 <glenn> action: sean to check on receipt of ISO liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496
14:40:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-222 - Check on receipt of iso liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496 [on Sean Hayes - due 2013-10-24].
14:40:44 <glenn> mike: suggests checking with chris lilley or jean claude duford
14:42:01 <glenn> topic: imsc drafts
14:42:10 <glenn> pal: no changes since last week
14:42:27 <glenn> ... has generated some issues like 283
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14:42:49 <glenn> ... feedback in other forums (e.g., EBU)
14:42:57 <glenn> ... expect some changes in coming weeks
14:43:09 <glenn> ... nothing concrete to report today
14:43:16 <Dsinger> Back. Wifi troubles
14:43:38 <Dsinger> Zakim, unmute dsinger
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14:44:35 <Dsinger> Philippe?
14:44:53 <Dsinger> Bus wifi is ... Fun
14:44:56 <Sean> Yes we all are waiting for Philippe
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14:47:47 <Sean> Does anyone have Phillipes cell number?
14:48:44 <Dsinger> 617 417 9822
14:48:56 <Sean> ok I will call him
14:48:57 <Zakim> -glenn
14:49:10 <Sean> Zakim, mute Sean
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14:49:11 <glenn> just lost my connection
14:49:16 <glenn> will call back
14:49:28 <Dsinger> Zakim, mute dsinger
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14:49:39 <Zakim> +glenn
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14:51:34 <glenn> dsinger: devices vs general platforms
14:51:54 <glenn> ... general platforms usually allow downloadable font resources
14:52:08 <glenn> ... devices more specific to per region support
14:52:11 <Dsinger> Zakim, mute dsinger
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14:53:14 <Dsinger> For western languages there are free fonts, yes.  For Asia, less so
14:53:42 <Sean> Zakim, unmute  Sean
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14:54:00 <Sean> Philippe will be here shortly
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14:54:08 <Zakim> +Plh
14:54:24 <Dsinger> Good morning plh
14:54:36 <Dsinger> Yes
14:54:48 <Dsinger> Got an early bus
14:55:15 <glenn> topic: ttwg charter
14:55:17 <Dsinger> I have mostly minor comments
14:55:26 <glenn> plh: have comments from pal
14:55:44 <glenn> ... issue about external submissions?
14:55:53 <plh> http://www.w3.org/Submission/2013/SUBM-ttml-ww-profiles-20130607/
14:55:54 <Dsinger> Repeat 'that'?
14:56:19 <plh> TTML Text and Image Profiles for Internet Media Subtitles and Captions
14:56:20 <Dsinger> Got it
14:56:25 <glenn> plh: should IMSC be added to charter?
14:56:33 <glenn> sean: should take opportunity to change date
14:56:37 <Dsinger> Ok
14:57:04 <glenn> plh: will link submission from charter; title can be changed
14:57:23 <glenn> ... are we all agreeing about rec track for imsc?
14:57:38 <glenn> plh: would need implementations
14:58:05 <glenn> sean: need to change name of TTML 1.1 to TTML2 in charter
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14:58:30 <glenn> dsinger: some minor editorial comments
14:58:39 <glenn> what does "offline" media captioning
14:58:56 <glenn> should everything be useful for described video?
14:58:59 <pal> Under "Liaisons with W3C Groups", I would add the Web&TV IG
14:59:20 <glenn> sean: must is a stretch for described video
14:59:48 <glenn> s/media captioning/media captioning mean?/
15:00:23 <glenn> dsinger: under deliverable 2, if "previously specified" then already in spec text
15:00:42 <glenn> pal: idea was that TTCG would keep working on "some stuff"
15:01:07 <plh> remove "previously specified but now"
15:01:16 <glenn> plh: can say "previously unspecified features"
15:01:21 <plh> fix "Text Text"
15:01:40 <glenn> dsinger: should say something about CSS as a mapping
15:02:19 <glenn> plh: already have this via "mapping" activity
15:03:14 <plh> move item 6 into item 1 (TTML 2)
15:04:40 <glenn> dsinger: surprised that 608/708 aren't mentioned under deliverables
15:05:00 <glenn> mike: notes that SMPTE TT has done this
15:05:21 <glenn> ... nothing wrong with mentioning this in charter
15:05:33 <Dsinger> Zakim, mute dsinger
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15:05:38 <glenn> dsinger: can be mentioned as to be considered as opposed to new deliverable
15:06:04 <glenn> pal: plh did you catch the liaison with w3c groups?
15:06:06 <glenn> plh: yes
15:06:15 <pal> >  pal: idea was that TTCG would keep working on "some stuff"< that was not pal
15:06:18 <glenn> pal: web & tv ig
15:06:20 <Dsinger> Obviously the chair name
15:06:47 <glenn> plh: will update no later than monday and send to list
15:07:19 <Dsinger> I will forward to the CG.  Don't forget to remove Sean as initial chair.
15:07:33 <Dsinger> Yes
15:08:08 <Dsinger> VTT bug 20037 is close to fixed. Then FSA
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15:08:31 <glenn> plh: may need separate telecoms for vtt related matters
15:08:45 <glenn> dsinger: should be able to get enough people to participate
15:09:08 <glenn> plh: group can decide on need for separate telecom
15:09:35 <Dsinger> Send me email and I will follow up
15:09:58 <Dsinger> Email later is fine
15:10:02 <plh> http://darobin.github.io/html-ruby/snapshots/FPWD.html
15:11:30 <glenn> plh: how much time at TPAC on VTT?
15:11:49 <glenn> dsinger: should allocate at least an hour
15:13:26 <glenn> plh: possible sched for friday for VTT discussions
15:13:46 <glenn> plh: pick time and send to dsinger and silvia
15:14:14 <Dsinger> When send draft to AC?
15:14:59 <glenn> sean, dsinger: think we don't need to hold up charter for VTT finalization
15:15:48 <glenn> dsinger: let's get charter in good shape and ready to send to AC first
15:16:05 <glenn> ... can get informal comments from AC
15:16:12 <glenn> plh: already did this back in May
15:16:32 <glenn> pal: what is patent commit issue around VTT?
15:17:16 <glenn> dsinger: need to do FSA pass to get commits from Silvia and other authors
15:17:40 <glenn> dsinger: need a bug fixed first
15:18:04 <glenn> dsinger: 20037 in bugzilla about H/V positioning
15:18:42 <glenn> plh: will update charter and send out by monday
15:18:48 <glenn> ... then start internal review
15:19:08 <Dsinger> Good
15:19:14 <glenn> ... will see about sending to AC for prelim review before TPAC, but if not then ASAP after TPAC
15:19:26 <glenn> mike: how are we doing on IETF/IANA registration of TTML?
15:20:05 <glenn> glenn: is there a new IANA tracking number?
15:20:25 <glenn> plh: did resbumit with corrections before publication of TTML1SE
15:20:46 <glenn> plh: will try to find tracker link and send that to WG
15:21:08 <glenn> action: plh to find IANA tracking number for resubmit of MIME type registration
15:21:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-223 - Find iana tracking number for resubmit of mime type registration [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2013-10-24].
15:21:46 <glenn> sean: AOB?
15:21:57 <Zakim> -mijordan
15:21:57 <glenn> sean: adjourned
15:21:58 <Zakim> -Mike
15:22:00 <Zakim> -pal
15:22:01 <Zakim> -Plh
15:22:05 <Zakim> -dsinger
15:22:11 <Zakim> -Sean
15:22:15 <glenn> trackbot, end meeting
15:22:15 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:22:15 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Sean, glenn, Mike, pal, mijordan, dsinger, Plh
15:22:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:22:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-minutes.html trackbot
15:22:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:22:24 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-actions.rdf :
15:22:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: glenn to change to rec in ttml2, and add note to authors indicating that if author wants specific value, then they should specify specific value [1]
15:22:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-irc#T14-23-50
15:22:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pal to investigate actual CSS behavior further regarding whether line height of individual lines are affected by font size on line as opposed to maximum over paragraph [2]
15:22:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-irc#T14-32-27
15:22:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: glenn to double check spec language on CSS and XSL-FO around line height stacking strategy [3]
15:22:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-irc#T14-33-06
15:22:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sean to check on receipt of ISO liaison, re: parts 12 and 30 of 14496 [4]
15:22:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-irc#T14-40-27
15:22:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: plh to find IANA tracking number for resubmit of MIME type registration [5]
15:22:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/17-tt-irc#T15-21-08
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