Re: Competed action 305

Thank you for this background, David. It is very helpful. Eric and I 
will work on the wording to address your concerns. We will propose 
tweaked wording for review by you and the group.

Best,
   Shadi


On 4.2.2015 01:52, David MacDonald wrote:
> Hi Shadi
>
> There were several opinions on the call about the best way to render Math.
> Kathy said images are the way to go currently and has found trouble with
> MathJax. On the other hand I'm a big proponent of MathML but it needs lots
> of caveats.
> As I prepare with CB of Deque and Sina Bahram for our math presentation at
> CSUN we have been doing a lot of testing, and Math truly is the wild west
> currently. I was also involved in much Math testing with a major US
> education provider from K to 12.
>
> JAWS16 can render MathML IF MathJax is on the page. But it is far from
> perfect.
> VoiceOver is glitchy with MathML. Some of it is OK much of it is not.
> NVDA has a module built for an API that exists, but is not publicly
> available, so it's not ready
> MathJax is pretty good with screen readers but has many problems, even
> though its the best situation.
> There is much work being done on another solution, but it is not public.
>
> Anyway, I think we need to advise people about the state of things, its not
> just MathML and everything is good. If just mathML is used on the page
> without mathjax, the only solution that will work is MathPlayer in IE8 or
> in IE 11 Enterprise mode which is an IE 8 rendering of the page. So yes...
> let's advise them to use MathML but there are many problems and caveats
> that are outside the scope of this tutorial... but the tutorial is talking
> to Math producers, and telling them to use MathML under the auspices of the
> W3C telling them how to meet WCAG. The solution proposed does not meet
> WCAG.
>
> The current document says
>
> "If math forms are a substantial part of the page or website content (for
> example, online maths courses), MathML <http://www.w3.org/Math/> should be
> used instead. MathML represents both presentation and content semantically,
> making it more accessible to a wider range of users. Many assistive
> technologies can interpret the code."
>
> This SHOULD be true but its not really. Only ONE screen reader can work
> with MathML, and only ONE version of that, AND the page has to have MathJax
> and be used in IE. that's a pretty narrow field...
> I wouldn't say "Many assistive ..." We can't leave universities thinking
> all is well cause they put up MathML without Mathjax.
>
> The working group gave me the action item to write a note, and that is what
> I provided in the issue list. I'm open to editing suggestions... or more
> discussions
>
> Cheers,
>
> David MacDonald
>
>
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> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Thank you for this suggested edit.
>>
>> I've looked back at the WCAG WG minutes for 27 January but do not see the
>> motivation for adding such a "disclaimer" recorded in the minutes.
>>
>> Also, I don't fully understand the point(s) that we are trying to get
>> across in this disclaimer. I note that the action has been closed but I'm
>> not sure what the WCAG WG process is for discussing such proposed edits.
>> Could you elaborate on the key points and motivation that were agreed on by
>> WCAG WG?
>>
>> I'm pasting your suggested edits here to make it easier for people to find
>> and provide any comments that they may have:
>>
>> [[
>> During the year prior to this writing, accessible Math activity has
>> increased substantially. In particular, screen reader support has improved
>> for MathML. We expect this progress to continue. This area of web
>> accessibility is in a particularly transitional period. Organizations that
>> have math as an integral part of their information on the web should
>> continue to stay up to date on MathML solutions and support in screen
>> readers, and choose their presentation of math accordingly.
>> ]]
>>
>> Best,
>>    Shadi
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3.2.2015 19:30, Joshue O Connor wrote:
>>
>>> David MacDonald wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/track/actions/305
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, I've closed the action.
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> David MacDonald
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>
>

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Activity Lead, W3C/WAI International Program Office
Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group (ERT WG)
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