WAI UA Telecon for November 10th, 1999

Chair: Jon Gunderson
Date: Wednesday, November 10th
Time: 12:00 noon to 1:30 pm Eastern Standard Time
Call-in: W3C Tobin Bridge (+1) 617-252-7000

Agenda

Review Open Action Items

1. IJ: Propose how the conformance checklist will be delivered
2. IJ: Send revision of table checkpoint to the list AND include in last call document
   http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-19991105
3. IJ: Mark relative priority of Checkpoint 6.1 as a current issue for the group and we want last call comments
   http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-19991105
4. IJ: Prepare guidelines document for last call, based on todays discussion
   http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-19991105
5. IJ: Prepare techniques document for last call, based on current unprocessed techniques submissions
   http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-TECHS-19991105/
6. IJ: Make 9 and 10 December F2F meeting at IBM in Austin, TX information available
   http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/1999/12/ua-agenda
7. HR: Find information about European contacts who may be interested in reviewing the document during last call
8. TL: Get feedback from MS IE Team on usability of 5 October Techniques structure (wait for next draft).
9. MN: Contact someone at United Cerebral Palsy to agree to review last call draft when available
   Status: No response
10. MN: Suggest a last call reviewer at Apple computer
    Status: No response
11. MR: Working on SMIL techniques
    http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0267.html
12. DB: Contact person in Windows media group to agree to review last call draft when available
13. MQ: Find someone from WinAmp, SigTuna to agree to review last call draft when available
    Status: still looking
14. AG: Send HTML discussion to list related to table markup

Announcements

1. NFB verses AOL law suit
2. F2F meeting at IBM in Austin, TX on December 9th and 10th
3. Telecon on 7 December to review and prioritize issues from last call for discussion at F2F meeting: Tentative time: 12:00-1:30 EST (USA), no meeting on 8 December.
4. If people have additional reviewers just send them the last call URL and review instructions directly, copy Jon or Ian so they are aware of the inivitation.
5. Web Content is Re-Chartering

Discussion

1. Review technique lists for each checkpoint
2. Identification of techniques that need more detailed descriptions

Attendance

Chair: Jon Gunderson

Scribe: Ian Jacobs

RSVP Present:
Charles McCathieNevile
David Poehlman
Harvey Bingham
Kitch Barnicle
Gregory J. Rosmaita
Dick Brown
Madeleine Rothberg
Jim Allan
Mickey Quenzer
Rich Schwerdtfeger

RSVP Regrets:
Mark Novak
Al Gilman

Action Items

Completed Action Items

1. IJ: Send revision of table checkpoint to the list AND include in last call document
   http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-19991105
2. IJ: Mark relative priority of Checkpoint 6.1 as a current issue for the group and we want last call comments
   http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-19991105
3. IJ: Prepare guidelines document for last call, based on todays discussion
   http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-19991105
4. IJ: Prepare techniques document for last call, based on current unprocessed techniques submissions
   http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-TECHS-19991105/
5. IJ: Make 9 and 10 December F2F meeting at IBM in Austin, TX information available
   http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/1999/12/ua-agenda
6. HR: Find information about European contacts who may be interested in reviewing the document during last call
   Status: Dropped
7. MR: Working on SMIL techniques
   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0267.html
8. AG: Send HTML discussion to list related to table markup
   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0247.html

Continued Action Items

1. IJ: Propose how the conformance checklist will be delivered
2. DB: Contact person in Windows media group to agree to review last call draft when available
3. MN: Contact someone at United Cerebral Palsy to agree to review last call draft when available
   Status: No response
4. MN: Suggest a last call reviewer at Apple computer
   Status: No response
5. MQ: Find someone from WinAmp, SigTuna to agree to review last call draft when available
   Status: still looking
6. TL: Get feedback from MS IE Team on usability of 5 October Techniques structure (wait for next draft).

New Action Items

1. IJ: If W3C Comm Team develops a statement related to NFB vs. AOL, keep the UAGL WG informed.
2. IJ: Review techniques for topic 3.2
3. JG: Confirm 7 December telecon date with systems people
4. JG: Review techniques for Guideline 2
5. JG: Review techniques for Guideline 8
6. KB: Post information about Easy Access/Infrared technology to list as a proposal for inclusion in the techniques document
7. KB: Update impact matrix based on 5 November draft.
8. KB: Review techniques for Guideline 7
9. RS: Send last call document to IBM's Web Team in Austin.
10. RS: Review techniques for Guideline 1
11. JA: Review techniques for topic 3.1
12. JA: Review techniques for Guideline 3
13. JA: Review techniques for Guideline 4
14. MR: Review techniques for topic 3.1 (Multi-media)
15. MR: Review techniques for Guideline 3 (Multi-media)
16. MR: Review techniques for Guideline 4 (Multi-media)
17. DB: Contact Dave Bolnick about SAMI access.
18. DB: Review techniques for Guideline 5
19. CMN: Review techniques for Guideline 9
20. CMN: Review techniques for topic 3.6
21. MQ: Review techniques for Guideline 10
22. DP: Review techniques for Guideline 11
23. GR: Review techniques for Guideline 11
24. GR: Review techniques for topic 3.5
25. HB: Review techniques for topic 3.3

Minutes

NOTE: Sign up for UAGL Austin Face-to-Face:

17 November deadline for hotel reservations (refer to [0]).

25 November deadline for meeting registration [0] [0] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/1999/12/ua-agenda

Agenda [1]

[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0262.html

1) Action Item review

1. IJ: Propose how the conformance checklist will be delivered
   Status: Not Done. But did put a note in the last call guidelines.
2. 2.IJ: Send revision of table checkpoint to the list AND include in last call document
   Done: http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-19991105
3. 3.IJ: Mark relative priority of Checkpoint 6.1 as a current issue for the group and we want last call comments
   Done: http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-19991105
4. 4.IJ: Prepare guidelines document for last call, based on todays discussion
   Done: http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-19991105
5. 5.IJ: Prepare techniques document for last call, based on current unprocessed techniques submissions
   Done: http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WD-WAI-USERAGENT-TECHS-19991105/
6. 6.IJ: Make 9 and 10 December F2F meeting at IBM in Austin, TX information available
   Done: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/1999/12/ua-agenda
7. 7.HR: Find information about European contacts who may be interested in reviewing the document during last call

   JG: No info from HR. Status: Dropped for HR.

   GR: I've contacted some people.

8. 8.TL: Get feedback from MS IE Team on usability of 5 October Techniques structure (wait for next draft).

   IJ: I'll follow up at MS next week.

9. 9.MN: Contact someone at United Cerebral Palsy to agree to review last call draft when available
10. 10.MN: Suggest a last call reviewer at Apple computer

    JG: MN has not reply yet from UCP or Apple.

11. 11.MR: Working on SMIL techniques
    Done: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0267.html
12. 12.DB: Contact person in Windows media group to agree to review last call draft when available
    Pending: Contacted Ian McDowell, no reply yet.
13. 13.MQ: Find someone from WinAmp, SigTuna to agree to review last call draft when available
14. 14.AG: Send HTML discussion to list related to table markup
    Done: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0242.html

2) AOL/NFB Lawsuit

JG: I called Curtis Chong (of NFB) to review UAGL. I sent a generic email to AOL pointing them to the document.

JG: I was contacted by NFB lawyers yesterday.

IJ: Please don't speak as reps of W3C; instead forward any requests to W3C Comm Team. You should write to w3t-pr@w3.org and address Janet Daly and Ian Jacobs.

Action Ian: If W3C Comm Team develops a statement, keep the UAGL WG informed.

3) Exceptional teleconf proposed for Tuesday 7 December.

Regrets: HB (XML Conference), KB, CMN (down under).

IJ: It seems as though Tobin bridge open from 12-1pm ET.

Action JG: Confirm this date with systems people

4) Additional last call reviewers

JB: Just send them the URL in the invitation to review and cc Jon or Ian.

5) WCAG is beginning rechartering process. Attend those teleconfs and send comments if you wish.

6) Techniques Document review.

DEADLINE FOR TECHNIQUES: 17 November (preferable 15 November).

IJ: If you come upon an issue during a review, please send issues to the list in individual emails (not as part of a larger techniques document).

IJ: Please send *specific* techniques. My apologies for current language/inconsistencies/unreadability.

1.1: Be more specific to mouse and keyboard.

IJ: Problems?

HB: Some table questions not yet resolved.

JG: Propose that if an accessible API is not available, then implement one.

IJ: I don't think we should require them to implement additional APIs.

MR: It sounds like some devices don't have keyboard API.

IJ: Requirement to use keyboard API in systems where it's standard.

KB: Does this have to be a checkpoint? Or can it be a technique?

GR: I can see the utility of such a checkpoint. But at this point in the process, I don't know whether we know enough to make its own checkpoint.

KB: So would the checkpoint say "Whatever device you're using, provide an accessible way to access it."

IJ: I think hardware requirements are out of scope. We haven't discussed "devices" before, only software.

DP: Some systems that have only a user agent (i.e., not a UA on top of an operating system).

Action KB: Post information about Easy Access/Infrared technology to list.

Technique review and expansions:

Jim Allan: Propose CSS Techniques
(section 3.1 and individual checkpoints, notably of G3 and G4.)

User Agent Accessibility Guidelines

• Guideline 1. Support input and output device-independence
  Review by: Rich Schwerdtfeger
• Guideline 2. Ensure user access to all content
  Review by: Jon Gunderson
• Guideline 3. Allow the user to turn off rendering or behavior that may reduce accessibility
  Review by: Jim Allan, Madeliene Rothberg (multi-media)
• Guideline 4. Ensure user control over styles
  Reviewer: Jim Allan, Madeleine Rothberg (multi-media)
• Guideline 5. Observe operating system conventions and standard interfaces
  Reviewer: Dick Brown
• Guideline 6. Implement open specifications and their accessibility features
  Reviewer: none, see references fo MR SMIL and SAMI techniques, DB will ask someone from Microsoft Multi-media to review
• Guideline 7. Provide navigation mechanisms
  Reviewer: Kitch Barnicle
• Guideline 8. Help orient the user
  Reviewer: Jon Gunderson
• Guideline 9. Notify the user of content and viewport changes
  Reviewer: Charlese McCathieNevile
• Guideline 10. Allow the user to configure the user agent
  Reviewer: Mickey Quenzer
• Guideline 11. Provide accessible product documentation and help
  Reviewer: Gregory J. Rosmaita, David Poehlman

Accessibility Topics

• 3.1 User control of style
  Reviewer: Jim Allan
• 3.2 Link techniques
  Reviewer: Ian Jacons
• 3.3 Table techniques
  Reviewer: Harvey Bingham
• 3.4 Frame techniques
  Reviewer: none
• 3.5 Form techniques
  Reviewer: Gregory J. Rosmaita
• 3.6 Script techniques
  Reviewer: Charles McCathieNevile
• 3.7 Abbreviations and acronyms
  Reviewer: none

IJ: Review Madeleine's techniques (for G2).

JA: A lot of MR's techniques fall into Guideline on control of style.

IJ: Goal:
a) Have a technique for each checkpoint.
b) Ensure that every checkpoint implemented in some browser.

Action RS: Send last call document to IBM's Web Team in Austin.

JG: Any documented accessibility features of SAMI?

Action DB: Contact Dave Bolnick about SAMI access.

Note: IJ and CMN will be at MS next week to discuss Guidelines with IE Team.

JG: Add a new topic: Extensibility of user agent UI.
(add menu items, add code, etc.)

GR: Is this using visual basic?

JG: Not necessarily. You can add menu items and code.

RS: You can add chrome around browsing window. You can embed the browsing component in a separate application.

JG: You can add items to the registry.

IJ: Seems to me to be covered by the configuration Guideline.

RS: We haven't discussed embedding browser into other applications
(e.g., specific look and feel for a particular disability).

7) On checkpoint 10.2

DB: Would prefer P3, but can live with P2. Still waiting for review.

8) RS: "Implement" or "Support" HTML 4.0?

IJ: "Support" for things without specs. "Implement" for things with specs.

9) No last call comments have come in yet!

10) Bryan Campbell's concern about deletion of keyboard Guideline.

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0254.html

JG: We'll have this on our list of last call issues.

JG: Will discuss further at face-to-face based on other input as well.

GR: I've talked to Bryan a little off-line to reassure him.

GR supports keyboard, but felt it was logically inconsistent to push for device independence while emphasizing keyboard. Pointed Bryan to initial proposal and asked to review last call draft to see if his concerns were addressed.

11) Impact matrix

Action KB: Update impact matrix based on 5 November draft.

12) Current appendix for dependent UA functionalities

IJ: Does anyone have any objections?

None.

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