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This document outlines the way in which the CSS Working Group addressed the comments submitted during the CSS Print Profile Last Call Working Draft review period.
During the Last Call Working Draft review period for CSS Print Profile a number of comments were received from both inside and outside of the W3C. This document summarizes those comments and describes the ways in which the comments were addressed by the CSS Working Group.
Note that the majority of this document is automatically generated from messages posted in the Working Group's mailing list www-style@w3.org . As such, it may contain typographical or stylistic errors. If so, these are contained in the original submissions, and the CSS Working Group elected to not change these submissions.
This document is a product of the W3C's CSS Working Group as part of the Style activity (see summary). This document may be updated, replaced or rendered obsolete by other W3C documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use this document as reference material or to cite it as other than "work in progress". This document is work in progress and does not imply endorsement by the W3C membership.
A list of current W3C Recommendations and other technical documents can be found at http://www.w3.org/TR.
PROBLEM ID: 01
STATE: Closed
RESOLUTION:Accepted and updated spec
USER POSITION:
Agree
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
From: Ernest Cline <ernestcline@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:55:02 -0500 Message-ID: <410-22003126201552765@mindspring.com> To: "W3C CSS List" <www-style@w3.org> Subject: Editorial, [1] Section 2 Extracted from: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Dec/0131.html [1] Section 2. In the clause "the printer MAY ignored the style sheet or treat it in some implementation dependent manner", the word "ignored" should be "ignore".
ACKNOWLEDGED:
To: www-style@w3.org, From: Ernest Cline <ernestcline@mindspring.com> Subject: [css-print] LCWD issue 01 -- Editorial, [1] Section 2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your comment on the CSS Print Profile, archived in: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Dec/0131.html Your issue, shown below, has been assigned the number 01. > > [1] Section 2. > In the clause "the printer MAY ignored the style sheet or treat it in > some implementation dependent manner", the word "ignored" should be > "ignore". > > A further response will be forthcoming. Please address any replys to www-style@w3.org with [css-print] in the subject line. -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
RESOLUTION:
To: 'ernestcline@mindspring.com' Subject: RE: [css-print] LCWD issue 01 -- Editorial, [1] Section 2 You issue, shown below has been accepted. If you have further comment, you have seven days, until Feb. 21, 2004, to reply. > > [1] Section 2. > > In the clause "the printer MAY ignored the style sheet or > > treat it in some implementation dependent manner", the > > word "ignored" should be "ignore". > > -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
PROBLEM ID: 02
STATE: Closed
RESOLUTION:Accepted and updated spec
USER POSITION:
Agree
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
From: Ernest Cline <ernestcline@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:55:02 -0500 Message-ID: <410-22003126201552765@mindspring.com> To: "W3C CSS List" <www-style@w3.org> Subject: Editorial, [2] Section 3.1 Extracted from: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Dec/0131.html [2] Section 3.1 In the clause "the printer MUST implemented the behavior described in CSS3 module: Paged Media", the word "implemented" should be "implement".
ACKNOWLEDGED:
To: www-style@w3.org, From: Ernest Cline <ernestcline@mindspring.com> Subject: [css-print] LCWD issue 02 -- Editorial, [2] Section 3.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your comment on the CSS Print Profile, archived in: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Dec/0131.html Your issue, shown below, has been assigned the number 02. > > > [2] Section 3.1 > In the clause "the printer MUST implemented the behavior described in > CSS3 module: Paged Media", the word "implemented" should be "implement". > A further response will be forthcoming. Please address any replys to www-style@w3.org with [css-print] in the subject line. -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
RESOLUTION:
To: 'ernestcline@mindspring.com' Subject: RE: [css-print] LCWD issue 02 -- Editorial, [2] Section 3.1 You issue, shown below has been accepted. If you have further comment, you have seven days, until Feb. 21, 2004, to reply. > > [2] Section 3.1 > In the clause "the printer MUST implemented the behavior described in > CSS3 module: Paged Media", the word "implemented" should be > "implement". > -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
PROBLEM ID: 03
STATE: Closed
RESOLUTION:Accepted and updated spec
USER POSITION:
Agree
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
From: Ernest Cline <ernestcline@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:55:02 -0500 Message-ID: <410-22003126201552765@mindspring.com> To: "W3C CSS List" <www-style@w3.org> Subject: Editorial, [3] Section 4 Extracted from: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Dec/0131.html [3] Section 4 It appears that there is difference is the requirements for the 'border-style' and its four sub-properties. Shouldn't the sub-properties also have only "none" and "solid" as values that the Extended profile is required to support?
ACKNOWLEDGED:
To: www-style@w3.org, From: Ernest Cline <ernestcline@mindspring.com> Subject: [css-print] LCWD issue 03 -- Editorial, [3] Section 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your comment on the CSS Print Profile, archived in: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Dec/0131.html Your issue, shown below, has been assigned the number 03. > > > [3] Section 4 > It appears that there is difference is the requirements for the > 'border-style' and its four sub-properties. Shouldn't the sub-properties > also have only "none" and "solid" as values that the Extended profile > is required to support? > A further response will be forthcoming. Please address any replys to www-style@w3.org with [css-print] in the subject line. -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
RESOLUTION:
To: 'ernestcline@mindspring.com' Subject: RE: [css-print] LCWD issue 03 -- Editorial, [3] Section 4 You issue, shown below has been accepted. If you have further comment, you have seven days, until Feb. 21, 2004, to reply. > [3] Section 4 > It appears that there is difference is the requirements for the > 'border-style' and its four sub-properties. Shouldn't the > sub-properties also have only "none" and "solid" as values that the > Extended profile is required to support? > -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
PROBLEM ID: 04
STATE: Closed
RESOLUTION:Accepted and updated spec
USER POSITION:
Agree
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
From: Ernest Cline <ernestcline@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:55:02 -0500 Message-ID: <410-22003126201552765@mindspring.com> To: "W3C CSS List" <www-style@w3.org> Subject: Editorial, [4] Sections 5, 6, 7 Extracted from: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Dec/0131.html [4] Sections 5, 6, and 7 For the various references to individual sections of CSS2, could links to each specific section referred to be also provided?
ACKNOWLEDGED:
To: www-style@w3.org, From: Ernest Cline <ernestcline@mindspring.com> Subject: [css-print] LCWD issue 04 -- Editorial, [4] Sections 5, 6, 7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your comment on the CSS Print Profile, archived in: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Dec/0131.html Your issue, shown below, has been assigned the number 04. > > [4] Sections 5, 6, and 7 > For the various references to individual sections of CSS2, could links > to each specific section referred to be also provided? > A further response will be forthcoming. Please address any replys to www-style@w3.org with [css-print] in the subject line. -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
RESOLUTION:
To: 'ernestcline@mindspring.com' Subject: FW: [css-print] LCWD issue 04 -- Editorial, [4] Sections 5, 6, 7 Your issue, shown below, has been accepted by the editor. If you have any further comment on this topic, you have 7 days, until 22 February 2004, to respond. > > [4] Sections 5, 6, and 7 > For the various references to individual sections of CSS2, could links > to each specific section referred to be also provided? > -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
PROBLEM ID: 05
STATE: Closed
RESOLUTION:Accepted and updated spec
USER POSITION:
Agree
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
From: Ernest Cline <ernestcline@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:55:02 -0500 Message-ID: <410-22003126201552765@mindspring.com> To: "W3C CSS List" <www-style@w3.org> Subject: Editorial, Section 8.2 Extracted from: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Dec/0131.html [5] Section 8.2 In the sentence "A printer is neither REQUIRED nor forbidden to perform scaling to fit the long element on a single page." wouldn't it be sensible for both of the words "REQUIRED" and "forbidden" to have the same degree of emphasis?
ACKNOWLEDGED:
To: www-style@w3.org, From: Ernest Cline <ernestcline@mindspring.com> Subject: [css-print] LCWD issue 05 -- Editorial, Section 8.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your comment on the CSS Print Profile, archived in: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Dec/0131.html Your issue, shown below, has been assigned the number 05. > > [5] Section 8.2 > In the sentence "A printer is neither REQUIRED nor forbidden to perform > scaling to fit the long element on a single page." wouldn't it be > sensible for both of the words "REQUIRED" and "forbidden" to have the > same degree of emphasis? > A further response will be forthcoming. Please address any replys to www-style@w3.org with [css-print] in the subject line. -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
RESOLUTION:
To: 'ernestcline@mindspring.com' Subject: FW: [css-print] LCWD issue 05 -- Editorial, Section 8.2 Your issue, shown below, has been accepted by the editor. If you have any further comment on this topic, you have 7 days, until 10 February 2004, to respond. > [5] Section 8.2 > In the sentence "A printer is neither REQUIRED nor forbidden to > perform scaling to fit the long element on a single page." wouldn't it > be sensible for both of the words "REQUIRED" and "forbidden" to have > the same degree of emphasis? > -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
PROBLEM ID: 06
STATE: Closed
RESOLUTION:Accepted and updated spec
USER POSITION:
Agree
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
From: www-style-request@w3.org on behalf of BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) [jim.bigelow@hp.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:40 PM To: W3C CSS Subject: [css-print] Section 8.4 citation of CSS3 Paged Media Module is in correct In 8.4 Running Headers and Footers, the citation "CSS3 module: Paged Media" should be CSS3 Paged Media Module Jim
ACKNOWLEDGED:
From: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:39 PM To: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Subject: RE: [css-print] Section 8.4 citation of CSS3 Paged Media Module is incorrect Thank you for your comment on the CSS Print Profile Your issue, shown below, has been assigned the number 06. > > In 8.4 Running Headers and Footers, the citation "CSS3 > module: Paged Media" should be CSS3 Paged Media Module > Please address any replies to www-style@w3.org with [css-print] in the subject line. -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
RESOLUTION:
To: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Subject: RE: [css-print] Section 8.4 citation of CSS3 Paged Media Module is in correct Your issue, shown below, has been accepted by the editor. If you have any further comment on this topic, you have 7 days, until 10 February 2004, to respond. > > In 8.4 Running Headers and Footers, the citation "CSS3 > module: Paged Media" should be CSS3 Paged Media Module > -- Jim Bigelow, editor
PROBLEM ID: 07
STATE: Closed
RESOLUTION:Accepted and updated spec
USER POSITION:
Agree
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
From: www-style-request@w3.org on behalf of BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) [jim.bigelow@hp.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:42 PM To: W3C CSS Subject: [css-print] link to CSS3 Paged Media Module in references wrong The reference to the CSS3 Page Media Module contains a link to the CSS Print Profile rater than to the reference spec. Jim
ACKNOWLEDGED:
From: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:41 PM To: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Subject: RE: [css-print] link to CSS3 Paged Media Module in references wrong Thank you for your comment on the CSS Print Profile Your issue, shown below, has been assigned the number 07. > > The reference to the CSS3 Page Media Module contains a link > to the CSS Print Profile rater than to the reference spec. > Please address any replies to www-style@w3.org with [css-print] in the subject line. -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
RESOLUTION:
To: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Subject: RE: [css-print] link to CSS3 Paged Media Module in references wrong Your issue, shown below, has been accepted by the editor. If you have any further comment on this topic, you have 7 days, until 22 February 2004, to respond. > > The reference to the CSS3 Page Media Module contains a link > to the CSS Print Profile rater than to the reference spec. > -- Jim Bigelow
PROBLEM ID: 08
STATE: Closed
RESOLUTION:Accepted and updated spec
USER POSITION:
Agree
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
From: www-style-request@w3.org on behalf of BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) [jim.bigelow@hp.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 12:46 PM To: 'www-style@w3.org' Subject: [css-print] Selector section references lang attribute that was s uperceded by xml:lang Section 3. Selectors contains a reference to lang attribute in the section on attribute selectors, 'Matches any E element whose "lang" attribute value has a hyphen-separated list of values beginning (from the left) with "en"' The attribute has been replaced in XHTML and XHTML-Print by the xml:lang attribute. Jim
ACKNOWLEDGED:
From: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:45 PM To: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Subject: RE: [css-print] Selector section references lang attribute that was superceded by xml:lang Thank you for your comment on the CSS Print Profile Your issue, shown below, has been assigned the number 08. > > Section 3. Selectors contains a reference to lang attribute > in the section on attribute selectors, 'Matches any E element > whose "lang" attribute value has a hyphen-separated list of > values beginning (from the left) with "en"' > > The attribute has been replaced in XHTML and XHTML-Print by > the xml:lang attribute. > Please address any replies to www-style@w3.org with [css-print] in the subject line. -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
FOLLOWUP 1:
From: Ernest Cline [ernestcline@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:40 PM To: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1); www-style@w3.org Subject: RE: [css-print] Selector section references lang attribute > [Original Message] > From: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) <jim.bigelow@hp.com> > > Section 3. Selectors contains a reference to lang attribute in the > section on attribute selectors, 'Matches any E element whose "lang" > attribute value has a hyphen-separated list of values beginning > (from the left) with "en"' > > The attribute has been replaced in XHTML and XHTML-Print by the > xml:lang attribute. It's still a valid description of the given example. If it bothers you then either change lang to foo or xml|lang, but if you do the latter, you'd best also add entries for E:[bar|foo] in Section 3 and @namespace in Section 3.1. However, given the note at the bottom of the table in section 3: "if the printer supports the xml:lang attribute for the selection and control of language specific processing, then this selector MUST be supported." I presume the intent is to avoid requiring support of either [xml|lang] or @namespace since for current XHTML versions the only namespaced attribute other than an implicit xml:space on a few elements is xml:lang. While xml:base is proposed for XHTML2, if that reaches CR before 2005 I'll be very surprised.
FOLLOWUP 2:
From: Ian Hickson [ian@hixie.ch] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:10 AM To: Ernest Cline Cc: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1); www-style@w3.org Subject: RE: [css-print] Selector section references lang attribute On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Ernest Cline wrote: > > While xml:base is proposed for XHTML2, if that reaches CR before 2005 > I'll be very surprised. I'm not 100% sure what you meant to say here, but in case what you said is what you meant: xml:base http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlbase/ And while I'm at it: xml:lang http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml.html#sec-lang-tag xml:space http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml.html#sec-white-space XHTML2 uses these, but does not define them. -- Ian Hickson )\._.,--....,'``. fL U+1047E /, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. http://index.hixie.ch/ `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
FOLLOWUP 3:
From: Ernest Cline [ernestcline@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:39 AM To: Ian Hickson Cc: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1); www-style@w3.org Subject: RE: [css-print] Selector section references lang attribute Sorry, for the delay in replying, but I had a ice storm here and was without power for four days. > [Original Message] > From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch> > > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Ernest Cline wrote: > > > > While xml:base is proposed for XHTML2, if that reaches CR before > > 2005 I'll be very surprised. > > I'm not 100% sure what you meant to say here, but in case what you > said is what you meant: > > xml:base > http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlbase/ > > And while I'm at it: > > xml:lang > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml.html#sec-lang-tag > > xml:space > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml.html#sec-white-space > > XHTML2 uses these, but does not define them. XHTML Print does use xml:lang and xml:space, without using xml:base which is as I pointed out, proposed for inclusion with XHTML2. The main purpose of CSS Print is to provide a CSS profile intended to work with XHTML Print with no XML not already part of XHTMLPrint being present. In that context, the only namespaced attributes CSS Print (as opposed to CSS in general) could encounter are xml:space and xml:lang. xml:space in XHTML exists only on certain elements, and on those elements, it is always implied with only a single valid value. As such, even if explicitly included, it provides no information. Therefore, there is no need to support handling that attribute. xml:lang on the other hand does provide information that is of interest to CSS, and therefore it may be desirable to handle the content. The main point of my previous post was that given the note at the bottom of the table in Section 3 of the CSS Print Profile, it would appear that one reason for requiring support for the :lang() selector when the user agent handles any sort of language dependent is to avoid making support of the @namespace rule or of namespaced attributes part of the CSS Print profile. Taking a further look at this, I think I now understand the point JIm was making in his original post. However, given the level of required support for :lang() and the absence of the lang attribute from XHTML Print, does CSS Print need to make the [foo|=bar] attribute selector part of the profile? There is nothing in CSS Selectors that says that in order to support :lang() one must support [foo|=bar] I can see no reason that one would need [foo|=bar] in CSS Print to support language dependent processing of XHTML Print. If I am wrong, and it is needed, then CSS Print should say something about the required level of support for both namespaced attributes and the @namespace rule, as without these, it cannot be properly used with the xml:lang attribute. Only if CSS Print is intended to be usable with either HTML or a poorly written XHTML 1.0 document that uses lang but not xml:lang can I perceive any need for [foo|=bar] to be part of the CSS Print profile.
FOLLOWUP 4:
From: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:59 AM To: www-style@w3.org Subject: RE: [css-print] Selector section references lang attribute Earnest wrote: > > I can see no reason that one would need [foo|=bar] in CSS > Print to support language dependent processing of XHTML > Print. If I am wrong, and it is needed, then CSS Print > should say something about the required level of support for > both namespaced attributes and the @namespace rule, as > without these, it cannot be properly used with the xml:lang attribute. > > Only if CSS Print is intended to be usable with either HTML > or a poorly written XHTML 1.0 document that uses lang but not > xml:lang can I perceive any need for [foo|=bar] to be part of > the CSS Print profile. I agree, for the following reason. Since the CSS Print Profile is intended as a companion for XHTML-Print [1], which does not require support for the xml:lang attribute, I, too, do not see a need for requiring support either for E:lang(c), E[lang|=code], or E[foo|=bar], hence they are annotated as "may" for both a conforming printer and an enhanced layout printer. Jim [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-print P.S. I'm very appreciative of the time and effort everyone has put into the review of the CSS Print Profile -- THANK YOU!
RESOLUTION:
To: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Subject: RE: [css-print] Selector section references lang attribute that was s uperceded by xml:lang Your issue, shown below, has been accepted by the editor. If you have any further comment on this topic, you have 7 days, until 22 February 2004, to respond. > Section 3. Selectors contains a reference to lang attribute > in the section on attribute selectors, 'Matches any E element > whose "lang" attribute value has a hyphen-separated list of > values beginning (from the left) with "en"' > > The attribute has been replaced in XHTML and XHTML-Print by > the xml:lang attribute. > -- Jim Bigelow, editor
PROBLEM ID: 09
STATE: Closed
RESOLUTION:Accepted and updated spec
USER POSITION:
Agree
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
From: www-style-request@w3.org on behalf of BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) [jim.bigelow@hp.com] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:49 AM To: www-style@w3.org Subject: [css-print]: add image-orientation 0, 90, 180, 270 to enhanced la yout The enhanced layout extension to CSS Print Profile [1] should include the image-orientation property [2] with the only required values being the four orientations given in CSS3 angles [3]: degrees radians grads 0 0.0 0 90 1.5708 100 180 3.1416 200 270 4.7124 300 This feature was requested by the PWG [4] in it's June 2002 meeting [5]. The addition has been seconded by Zoran and Hewlett Packard during the comment period of the CSS Print Profile [6] Jim [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/css-print/#s2.1 [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-page/#orienting [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-css3-values-20010713/#angles [4] http://www.pwg.org [5] http://www.pwg.org/xhtml-print/minutes/Minutes-June-24-2002.html [6] http://www.w3.org/TR/css-print/
ACKNOWLEDGED:
From: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 8:46 PM To: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Subject: RE: [css-print]: add image-orientation 0, 90, 180, 270 to enhanced layout Thank you for your comment on the CSS Print Profile Your issue, shown below, has been assigned the number 09. > > The enhanced layout extension to CSS Print Profile [1] should > include the image-orientation property [2] with the only > required values being the four orientations given in CSS3 > angles [3]: > degrees radians grads > 0 0.0 0 > 90 1.5708 100 > 180 3.1416 200 > 270 4.7124 300 > > This feature was requested by the PWG [4] in it's June 2002 > meeting [5]. The addition has been seconded by Zoran and > Hewlett Packard during the comment period of the CSS Print Profile [6] > Please address any replies to www-style@w3.org with [css-print] in the subject line. -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
RESOLUTION:
To: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Subject: RE: [css-print]: add image-orientation 0, 90, 180, 270 to enhanced la yout Your issue, shown below, has been accepted by the editor. If you have any further comment on this topic, you have 7 days, until 22 February 2004, to respond. > The enhanced layout extension to CSS Print Profile [1] should > include the image-orientation property [2] with the only > required values being the four orientations given in CSS3 > angles [3]: > degrees radians grads > 0 0.0 0 > 90 1.5708 100 > 180 3.1416 200 > 270 4.7124 300 > > This feature was requested by the PWG [4] in it's June 2002 > meeting [5]. The addition has been seconded by Zoran and > Hewlett Packard during the comment period of the CSS Print Profile [6] > -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
PROBLEM ID: 10
STATE: Closed
RESOLUTION:Accepted and updated spec
USER POSITION:
Agree
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
From: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 10:23 AM To: 'www-style@w3.org' Subject: RE: [css3-page] examples in 3.3.2 (page size) are 'US-centric'(?) Hello, After reading all the posts on this subject, I'm included to have the CSS3 Page Media and CSS Print Profile specification require the following names be recognized as media names, all other media would have to be selected by width and height: letter, legal, ledger, a5, b5, a4, b4, a3 Where the names are not case sensitive. Jim Bigelow, Editor of CSS Print Profile and CSS3 Pages Media > -----Original Message----- > From: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:47 PM > To: www-style@w3.org > Cc: 'Michael Day' > Subject: RE: [css3-page] examples in 3.3.2 (page size) are > 'US-centric'(?) > > > Hello, > > Ernest wrote: > > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:43 PM > > What follows is what I feel to be a likely maximum minimum: > > > > na_invoice (5.5" x 8.5") > > na_letter (8.5" x 11") > > na_legal (8.5" x 14") > > na_ledger (11" x 17") > > > > iso_a5 (148mm x 210mm) > > iso_b5 (176mm x 250mm) > > iso_a4 (210mm x 297mm) > > iso_b4 (250mm x 353mm) > > iso_a3 (297mm x 420 mm) > > > > What if we use a '-' for '_'? > na-invoice > na-letter > na-legal > na-ledger > > iso-a5 > iso-b5 > iso-a4 > iso-b4 > iso-a3 > > Is this an acceptable subset of all possible media names? > > Jim Bigelow, Editor >
ACKNOWLEDGED:
To: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Subject: RE: [css3-page] examples in 3.3.2 (page size) are 'US-centric'(?) Thank you for your comment on the CSS Print Profile Your issue, shown below, has been assigned the number 10. > > After reading all the posts on this subject, I'm included to > have the CSS3 Page Media and CSS Print Profile specification > require the following names be recognized as media names, all > other media would have to be selected by width and height: > > letter, legal, ledger, > a5, b5, a4, b4, a3 > > Where the names are not case sensitive. >
RESOLUTION:
To: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Subject: FW: [css3-page] examples in 3.3.2 (page size) are 'US-centric'(?) Your issue, shown below, has been accepted by the editor. If you have any further comment on this topic, you have 7 days, until 22 February 2004, to respond. > > After reading all the posts on this subject, I'm included to > have the CSS3 Page Media and CSS Print Profile specification > require the following names be recognized as media names, all > other media would have to be selected by width and height: > > letter, legal, ledger, > a5, b5, a4, b4, a3 > > Where the names are not case sensitive. > -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
PROBLEM ID: 11
STATE: Closed
RESOLUTION:Accepted and updated spec
USER POSITION:
Agree
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
From: www-style-request@w3.org on behalf of Susan Lesch [lesch@w3.org] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:28 AM To: www-style@w3.org Subject: Comments for WD-css-print-20031218 Hello, Just a quick comment for your CSS Print Profile Last Call [1]. I would avoid specifying a font size in a spec. Here is an example screen shot [2] from Mac IE 5.1.7. Though it has been discontinued, Mac IE shipped with Panther so it is significant. A 100% font size is much safer. The W3C Spell Checker [3] found a couple of typos (the rest look fine) and there are two here from the Status section. s/Sytle/Style/ s/Woking/Working/ s/moble/mobile/ s/versionis/version is/ s/working group/Working Group/ s/Style activity/Style Activity/ [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-css-print-20031218/ [2] http://www.w3.org/2004/01/css-print.png [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-css-print-20031218/,spell Best wishes for your project, -- Susan Lesch http://www.w3.org/People/Lesch/ mailto:lesch@w3.org tel:+1.858.483.4819 World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) http://www.w3.org/
ACKNOWLEDGED:
From: BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1) Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:43 AM To: 'Susan Lesch'; www-style@w3.org Subject: RE: Comments for WD-css-print-20031218 Thank you for you comments. They are very much appreciated. They are been assigned issue # 11. - Jim Bigelow, editor Susan Lesch wrote: > Just a quick comment for your CSS Print Profile Last Call > [1]. I would avoid specifying a font size in a spec. Here is > an example screen shot [2] from Mac IE 5.1.7. Though it has > been discontinued, Mac IE shipped with Panther so it is > significant. A 100% font size is much safer. > > The W3C Spell Checker [3] found a couple of typos (the rest > look fine) and there are two here from the Status section. > > s/Sytle/Style/ > s/Woking/Working/ > s/moble/mobile/ > s/versionis/version is/ > s/working group/Working Group/ > s/Style activity/Style Activity/ > > [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-css-print-20031218/ > [2] http://www.w3.org/2004/01/css-print.png > [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-css-print-20031218/,spell >
RESOLUTION:
To: Susan Lesch Subject: RE: Comments for WD-css-print-20031218 Your issue, shown below, has been accepted by the editor. If you have any further comment on this topic, you have 7 days, until 22 February 2004, to respond. > > Just a quick comment for your CSS Print Profile Last Call > [1]. I would avoid specifying a font size in a spec. Here is > an example screen shot [2] from Mac IE 5.1.7. Though it has > been discontinued, Mac IE shipped with Panther so it is > significant. A 100% font size is much safer. > > The W3C Spell Checker [3] found a couple of typos (the rest > look fine) and there are two here from the Status section. > > s/Sytle/Style/ > s/Woking/Working/ > s/moble/mobile/ > s/versionis/version is/ > s/working group/Working Group/ > s/Style activity/Style Activity/ > -- Jim Bigelow, Editor
PROBLEM ID: 12
STATE: Closed
RESOLUTION:No change to spec
USER POSITION:
Agree
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
MessageFrom: www-style-request@w3.org on behalf of Burke, Paul [paul.m.burke@hp.com]
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:13 AM
To: www-style@w3.org
Cc: W3C Multimodal group
Subject: XHTML Print and CSS Print comment statement from the Multimodal Interaction WG
Per request of the Print WG, the following general comments are
offered from the W3C Multimodal Interaction WG on the CSS Print and
XHTML Print specifications. I would suggest that we pick a convenient
time (Cannes F2F? or telecon) to further discuss some of the
intricacies involved in printing from mobile devices.
Paul Burke
The MultiModal WG recognizes the value of open universal print
mechanisms in support of mobile users in a Multimodal Interaction
environment. We look forward to seeing these types of facilities
emerge in mobile devices and printers, and look to incorporate
this into the general MMI framework.
While it would be better if other formats besides just XHTML and
JPEGs (like GIF, SVG, PNG etc) were supported, it is recognized
that as a universal print mechanism, XHTML Print and the CSS Print
Profile, form the basis of a cost effective universal print
solution for mobile users.
Recognizing that for this to work, the browser will need to
snapshot a resultant filled-in form to capture the form data that
will be acquired using various modes of input, it would be worth
discussing this further with the Print WG to make sure we have all
aspects covered. Specific examples of discussion include;
· How would Ink traces from a stylus being used in a multimodal
interaction be printed? Example: circle an origination and
destination on a map on a screen; the system could provide
directions in XHTML, but how would the annotated map be printed?
· Discussion on a scheme to allow an identifier to be used to
allow post processing of a page.
· Whereas one of the stated goals of XHTML Print and the CSS Print
Profile is to accommodate “low cost printers”, it would be
good to discuss how these print functions would be used in a
context of high end printers in a networked environment.. Examples
include multimodal interaction and then printing tickets, bar
codes, maps, pictures etc. These types of printers might be
available in “print kiosks”, and would typically include
payment schemes.
ACKNOWLEDGED:
MessageTo: Burke, Paul; www-style@w3.org Subject: RE: XHTML Print and CSS Print comment statement from the Multimodal Interaction WG Paul, Thank you for your comment. It has been assigned issue number 12. You wrote: > Per request of the Print WG, the following general comments are > offered from the W3C Multimodal Interaction WG on the CSS Print and > XHTML Print specifications. I would suggest that we pick a convenient > time (Cannes F2F? or telecon) to further discuss some of the > intricacies involved in printing from mobile devices. > > Paul Burke > > > The MultiModal WG recognizes the value of open universal print > mechanisms in support of mobile users in a Multimodal Interaction > environment. We look forward to seeing these types of facilities > emerge in mobile devices and printers, and look to incorporate > this into the general MMI framework. > > > While it would be better if other formats besides just XHTML and > JPEGs (like GIF, SVG, PNG etc) were supported, it is recognized > that as a universal print mechanism, XHTML Print and the CSS Print > Profile, form the basis of a cost effective universal print > solution for mobile users. > > > Recognizing that for this to work, the browser will need to > snapshot a resultant filled-in form to capture the form data that > will be acquired using various modes of input, it would be worth > discussing this further with the Print WG to make sure we have all > aspects covered. Specific examples of discussion include; > > > > · How would Ink traces from a stylus being used in a multimodal > interaction be printed? Example: circle an origination and > destination on a map on a screen; the system could provide > directions in XHTML, but how would the annotated map be printed? > > > > · Discussion on a scheme to allow an identifier to be used to > allow post processing of a page. > > > > · Whereas one of the stated goals of XHTML Print and the CSS Print > Profile is to accommodate “low cost printers”, it would be > good to discuss how these print functions would be used in a > context of high end printers in a networked environment.. Examples > include multimodal interaction and then printing tickets, bar > codes, maps, pictures etc. These types of printers might be > available in “print kiosks”, and would typically include > payment schemes. >
RESOLUTION:
MessageTo: Burke, Paul Subject: RE: XHTML Print and CSS Print comment statement from the Multimodal Interaction WG Paul, Your issue, shown below, has been noted but has not caused any changed to the CSS Print Profile. If you have any further comment on this topic, you have 7 days, until 22 February 2004, to respond. -- Jim Bigelow, Editor > Per request of the Print WG, the following general comments are > offered from the W3C Multimodal Interaction WG on the CSS Print and > XHTML Print specifications. I would suggest that we pick a convenient > time (Cannes F2F? or telecon) to further discuss some of the > intricacies involved in printing from mobile devices. > > Paul Burke > > > The MultiModal WG recognizes the value of open universal print > mechanisms in support of mobile users in a Multimodal Interaction > environment. We look forward to seeing these types of facilities > emerge in mobile devices and printers, and look to incorporate > this into the general MMI framework. > > > While it would be better if other formats besides just XHTML and > JPEGs (like GIF, SVG, PNG etc) were supported, it is recognized > that as a universal print mechanism, XHTML Print and the CSS Print > Profile, form the basis of a cost effective universal print > solution for mobile users. > > > Recognizing that for this to work, the browser will need to > snapshot a resultant filled-in form to capture the form data that > will be acquired using various modes of input, it would be worth > discussing this further with the Print WG to make sure we have all > aspects covered. Specific examples of discussion include; > > > > · How would Ink traces from a stylus being used in a multimodal > interaction be printed? Example: circle an origination and > destination on a map on a screen; the system could provide > directions in XHTML, but how would the annotated map be printed? > > > > · Discussion on a scheme to allow an identifier to be used to > allow post processing of a page. > > > > · Whereas one of the stated goals of XHTML Print and the CSS Print > Profile is to accommodate “low cost printers”, it would be > good to discuss how these print functions would be used in a > context of high end printers in a networked environment.. Examples > include multimodal interaction and then printing tickets, bar > codes, maps, pictures etc. These types of printers might be > available in “print kiosks”, and would typically include > payment schemes. >