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13:44:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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13:44:31 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:44:31 <trackbot> Date: 24 June 2009
13:45:01 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jun/0015.html
13:45:19 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: aGENDA: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jun/0015.html
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13:45:48 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jun/0015
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13:46:17 <Zakim> +Markus
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13:47:11 <Zakim> +McCarron
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13:47:42 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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13:47:42 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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13:47:43 <Zakim> +Steven
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13:50:56 <Steven> Regrets: Alessio
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13:52:59 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Tina
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13:53:38 <Zakim> +Tina
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13:53:48 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
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13:54:03 <Steven> Topic: The issues
13:54:04 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues ←
13:55:25 <Steven> Subtopic: @name
13:55:26 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE ←
13:55:59 <Steven> Steven: I believe this is dealt with
Steven Pemberton: I believe this is dealt with ←
13:56:11 <Steven> Subtopic: Informative references
13:56:23 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE1
ISSUE-1">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-1 ←
13:56:48 <Steven> Steven: I believe also dealt with
Steven Pemberton: I believe also dealt with ←
13:57:43 <Steven> Subtopic: 5th Ed
13:57:44 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE2
ISSUE-2">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-2 ←
13:57:55 <Steven> Shane: We had agreed we couldn't do that
Shane McCarron: We had agreed we couldn't do that ←
13:58:01 <Steven> Steven: Yes, it is deliberate
Steven Pemberton: Yes, it is deliberate ←
13:58:19 <Steven> Subtopic: SotD
13:58:20 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE3
ISSUE-3">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-3 ←
14:00:40 <Steven> Steven: This is a typo s/A/C/
Steven Pemberton: This is a typo s/A/C/ ←
14:00:50 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to fix the SotD to refer to Appx C
ACTION: Shane to fix the SotD to refer to Appx C ←
14:00:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-87 - Fix the SotD to refer to Appx C [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-87 - Fix the SotD to refer to Appx C [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-01]. ←
14:01:24 <Steven> Subtopic: Appx C
14:01:25 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE4
ISSUE-4">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-4 ←
14:02:13 <Steven> Steven: This was always an informative appx, meant to advise on practise, and moving it to a note is much more suitable for such information
Steven Pemberton: This was always an informative appx, meant to advise on practise, and moving it to a note is much more suitable for such information ←
14:02:23 <Steven> Shane: We need to update that note
Shane McCarron: We need to update that note ←
14:02:28 <Steven> Steven: That's the whole point
Steven Pemberton: That's the whole point ←
14:03:11 <Steven> Steven: Because people were assuming Appx C was normative, and because it was part of the TR, only made for problems
Steven Pemberton: Because people were assuming Appx C was normative, and because it was part of the TR, only made for problems ←
14:03:21 <Steven> ... since it made it difficult to update
... since it made it difficult to update ←
14:03:37 <Steven> Shane: Bjoern is one of the worst offenders in taking this appx as gospel
Shane McCarron: Bjoern is one of the worst offenders in taking this appx as gospel ←
14:04:03 <Steven> Subtopic: Broken links and xml:lang
14:04:04 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE5
ISSUE-5">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-5 ←
14:04:31 <Steven> Steven: He should have talked to us
Steven Pemberton: He should have talked to us ←
14:04:45 <Steven> Shane: I put the anchors back
Shane McCarron: I put the anchors back ←
14:05:22 <Steven> ... they go to a pointer to the new doc, which has the same anchors, so it is easy for him to update his document
... they go to a pointer to the new doc, which has the same anchors, so it is easy for him to update his document ←
14:06:09 <Steven> Steven: We don't say that it's compulsory to use both lang and xml:lang
Steven Pemberton: We don't say that it's compulsory to use both lang and xml:lang ←
14:06:30 <Steven> Shane: True, though we can still update the doc
Shane McCarron: True, though we can still update the doc ←
14:06:42 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to update use of lang and xml:lang
ACTION: Shane to update use of lang and xml:lang ←
14:06:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-88 - Update use of lang and xml:lang [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-88 - Update use of lang and xml:lang [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-01]. ←
14:07:14 <Steven> Subtopic: Lack of nesting rules
14:07:26 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE6
ISSUE-6">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-6 ←
14:08:34 <Steven> Steven: Not true. He's wrong/ We use exclusions in the formal definitions of the modules
Steven Pemberton: Not true. He's wrong/ We use exclusions in the formal definitions of the modules ←
14:09:07 <Steven> Shane: Is this a new issue, or one he has mentioned before?
Shane McCarron: Is this a new issue, or one he has mentioned before? ←
14:09:17 <Steven> Steven: He doesn't include a link...
Steven Pemberton: He doesn't include a link... ←
14:09:32 <Steven> Subtopic: No nesting rules for Ruby
14:09:42 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE7
ISSUE-7">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-7 ←
14:11:16 <Steven> Steven: We just reference the Ruby spec
Steven Pemberton: We just reference the Ruby spec ←
14:11:32 <Steven> ... which includes the exclusions.
... which includes the exclusions. ←
14:11:36 <Steven> ... So he's wrong
... So he's wrong ←
14:12:15 <Steven> Subtopic: Issue 9
14:12:17 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE8
ISSUE-8">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-8 ←
14:13:27 <Steven> Steven: One of his URIs is broken. Need to work out what he is talking about
Steven Pemberton: One of his URIs is broken. Need to work out what he is talking about ←
14:14:18 <Steven> ... maybe about the name attribute
... maybe about the name attribute ←
14:15:04 <Steven> ... it's this one: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/voyager-issues/XHTML-1.0-SE?user=guest;selectid=6504;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1
... it's this one: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/voyager-issues/XHTML-1.0-SE?user=guest;selectid=6504;statetype=-1;upostype=-1;changetype=-1;restype=-1 ←
14:15:31 <Steven> ... which is the same as the issue 1 above
... which is the same as the ISSUE-1 above ←
14:15:57 <Steven> Subtopic: References
14:15:57 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE9
ISSUE-9">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-9 ←
14:16:11 <Steven> Steven: I think this has been addressed
Steven Pemberton: I think this has been addressed ←
14:16:13 <Steven> Shane: It has
Shane McCarron: It has ←
14:16:32 <Steven> Subtopic: DOCTYPE Optional
14:16:33 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE10
ISSUE-10">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-10 ←
14:16:40 <Steven> Shane: What do you want to do?
Shane McCarron: What do you want to do? ←
14:17:09 <Steven> Shane: This was TimBL's idea. I disagree with optional DOCTYPEs myself
Shane McCarron: This was TimBL's idea. I disagree with optional DOCTYPEs myself ←
14:17:27 <Steven> Steven: What do we do?
Steven Pemberton: What do we do? ←
14:17:40 <Steven> Shane: Change it back
Shane McCarron: Change it back ←
14:17:54 <Steven> Steven: OK by me
Steven Pemberton: OK by me ←
14:18:38 <Steven> Steven: He calls this a process violation
Steven Pemberton: He calls this a process violation ←
14:18:59 <Steven> Steven: Change back?
Steven Pemberton: Change back? ←
14:19:04 <Steven> Shane: Sure
Shane McCarron: Sure ←
14:19:21 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to make doctype required
ACTION: Shane to make doctype required ←
14:19:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - Make doctype required [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-01].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-89 - Make doctype required [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-07-01]. ←
14:19:46 <Steven> Subtopic: @version
14:19:47 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE12
ISSUE-12">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-12 ←
14:20:30 <Steven> Shane: We don't require it
Shane McCarron: We don't require it ←
14:20:36 <Steven> ... it is in HTML4 and XHTML 1.0
... it is in HTML4 and XHTML 1.0 ←
14:21:34 <Steven> ... and deprecation isn't a problem; you can reprecate
... and deprecation isn't a problem; you can reprecate ←
14:21:46 <Steven> ... but what change would he like to make?
... but what change would he like to make? ←
14:21:54 <Steven> Steven: True, not actually an issue in that case
Steven Pemberton: True, not actually an issue in that case ←
14:22:47 <Steven> Subtopic: Change not mentioned
14:23:13 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE13
ISSUE-13">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-13 ←
14:23:50 <Steven> Shane: Modualrization widened the datatype of @version to CDATA
Shane McCarron: Modualrization widened the datatype of @version to CDATA ←
14:24:02 <Steven> ... so in RDFa we used something more friendly
... so in RDFa we used something more friendly ←
14:24:56 <Steven> ... Not sure which change he is referring to...
... Not sure which change he is referring to... ←
14:25:09 <Steven> Steven: We should investigate if there is a case to mention this
Steven Pemberton: We should investigate if there is a case to mention this ←
14:25:34 <Steven> ... I'm not convinced this really is a change in the sense he means it
... I'm not convinced this really is a change in the sense he means it ←
14:26:01 <Steven> Subtopic: @lang
14:26:02 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE14
ISSUE-14">http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/bjoern-issues.html#ISSUE-14 ←
14:27:00 <Steven> Steven: He points to a message from someone outside the group and claims that that is our reason
Steven Pemberton: He points to a message from someone outside the group and claims that that is our reason ←
14:27:04 <Steven> ... but it's not
... but it's not ←
14:27:19 <Steven> Shane: It is not a reason, it is a cause
Shane McCarron: It is not a reason, it is a cause ←
14:27:47 <Steven> Steven: We asked accessibility people if it would help and they said yes
Steven Pemberton: We asked accessibility people if it would help and they said yes ←
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14:30:35 <Steven> Shane: I have to leave now
Shane McCarron: I have to leave now ←
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14:37:13 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
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14:37:14 <Zakim> Attendees were Markus, McCarron, Steven, Tina
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