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Bug 6236 - scroll bar placement in frames
Summary: scroll bar placement in frames
Alias: None
Product: HTML WG
Classification: Unclassified
Component: pre-LC1 HTML5 spec (editor: Ian Hickson) (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: All All
: P2 normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Ian 'Hixie' Hickson
QA Contact: HTML WG Bugzilla archive list
Keywords: NoReply
Depends on:
Reported: 2008-11-19 15:53 UTC by VSim
Modified: 2010-10-04 14:31 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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Description VSim 2008-11-19 15:53:09 UTC

I'm not sure if this is a bug or a suggestion, maybe somewhere in between.
The problem is with frames that have their scroll bars hidden because they are too long or too wide (usually too long) so the scroll bar is in the hidden area of the browser window. Sometimes it happens that the frame is very long so it's really annoying to go to its bottom to scroll it left or right, then go back to the place where you were in the frame. A typical situation (the one that happens to me more frequently anyway) is a Yahoo mail with many big pictures attached that are viewed inline. The frame has all pictures one under the other, and you can imagine it can be pretty difficult to view each picture if one has to always go to the bottom of the frame to scroll left or right.
The obvious solution I think would be that the scroll bars for frames be displayed at the edges of the visible area of the frame, not at those of the frame itself, as they are currently.

I tried to suggest this as a feature request (or bug) to Firefox and they said I should bring it up with you, because it's a standards issue. Which makes sense. If you'd like to see my discussion with the folks at Mozilla, here it is:

At begin they're talking about another (related) issue. My proposal starts at post 6, on nov. 13th, my user id is vsim. In this post I describe the problem, the proposed solution is in my third post in the discussion.

V. Simionescu
Comment 1 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson 2008-11-19 18:59:46 UTC
I believe you want to bring this up with the CSS working group ( -- the bug you filed is with the HTML working group. I'm sorry for bouncing you around!
Comment 2 VSim 2008-11-21 06:05:37 UTC
I don't know how to do this. Shall I just e-mail them ? I couldn't find a Bugzilla W3C CSS WG. See
Comment 3 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson 2008-11-21 07:07:15 UTC
Comment 4 VSim 2008-11-22 12:06:18 UTC
OK, I did as you advised. Thanks.
Comment 5 Maciej Stachowiak 2010-03-14 13:15:54 UTC
This bug predates the HTML Working Group Decision Policy.

If you are satisfied with the resolution of this bug, please change the state of this bug to CLOSED. If
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This bug is now being moved to VERIFIED. Please respond within two weeks. If this bug is not closed, reopened or escalated within two weeks, it may be marked as NoReply and will no longer be considered a pending comment.