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Bug 27253 - Confusions involving Universal Time and old time stamps
Summary: Confusions involving Universal Time and old time stamps
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: HTML WG
Classification: Unclassified
Component: HTML5 spec (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: All All
: P2 normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: This bug has no owner yet - up for the taking
QA Contact: HTML WG Bugzilla archive list
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Reported: 2014-11-05 21:22 UTC by Paul Eggert
Modified: 2016-04-27 19:44 UTC (History)
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Fix some confusions involving Universal Time and old time stamps. (2.69 KB, patch)
2014-11-05 21:22 UTC, Paul Eggert
Details

Description Paul Eggert 2014-11-05 21:22:46 UTC
Created attachment 1534 [details]
Fix some confusions involving Universal Time and old time stamps.

The HTML5 spec requires UT1 for pre-UTC time stamps, but in practice
UT2 was the basis of civil timekeeping just before UTC was inaugurated,
and UT0 is a better choice than UT1 if you go back far enough.  But the
main point is that the HTML standard shouldn't try to impose a "must"
time standard here (UT1 vs UT2 vs whatever) when this doesn't correspond
to common practice.  Instead, the standard should simply call out
Universal Time as a general term.

A proposed patch is attached.

Some other minor changes for this edit:

* Change a couple of "must"s to "should"s when "must" is too strong.

* Mention that UT is mean solar time, not solar time.

* Don't require actual observations at Greenwich for old time stamps --
if you go back far enough, nobody was at Greenwich to observe anything.

My source for UT2 being the basis of civil timekeeping just before UTC is
the following email from Steve Allen of UCO/Lick Observatory:

http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2014-November/021867.html

He cites the Bulletin Horaire of the Bureau International de l'Heure,
March-April 1960, which is archived here:

https://plus.google.com/photos/112320138481375234766/albums/6078225731350227361
Comment 1 Arron Eicholz 2016-04-27 19:44:20 UTC
HTML5.1 Bugzilla Bug Triage: Fixed, The term "must" is necessary in order to get a consistent conversion across browsers with a consistent format. I see no need to change this. However, I have added "mean" solar time and clarified that the Greenwich is the location of Greenwich not specifically the city but the "location".

https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/275

If this resolution is not satisfactory, please copy the relevant bug details/proposal into a new issue at the W3C HTML5 Issue tracker: https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/new where it will be re-triaged. Thanks!