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Bug 22297 - [HTML]: Screen reader treatment of ALT text under different phrasings
Summary: [HTML]: Screen reader treatment of ALT text under different phrasings
Status: RESOLVED LATER
Alias: None
Product: HTML WG
Classification: Unclassified
Component: HTML5 spec (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: PC Windows NT
: P2 normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: steve faulkner
QA Contact: HTML WG Bugzilla archive list
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Whiteboard: revisit one section is updated.
Keywords: a11y
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Blocks:
 
Reported: 2013-06-06 14:57 UTC by dmacdona
Modified: 2013-06-30 10:27 UTC (History)
7 users (show)

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Description dmacdona 2013-06-06 14:57:47 UTC
4.8.1.1.3 Charts, diagrams, graphs, maps, illustrations

---snip of document---

First, here's the good solution. This sample shows how the alternative text should just be what you would have put in the prose if the image had never existed.

<!-- This is the correct way to do things. -->
<p>
 You are standing in an open field west of a house.
 <img src="house.jpeg" alt="The house is white, with a boarded front door.">
 There is a small mailbox here.</p>

Second, here's the bad solution. In this incorrect way of doing things, the alternative text is simply a description of the image, instead of a textual replacement for the image. It's bad because when the image isn't shown, the text doesn't flow as well as in the first example.

<!-- This is the wrong way to do things. -->
<p>
 You are standing in an open field west of a house.
 <img src="house.jpeg" alt="A white house, with a boarded front door.">
 There is a small mailbox here.
</p>

Text such as "Photo of white house with boarded door" would be equally bad alternative text (though it could be suitable for the title attribute or in the figcaption element of a figure with this image).

---end of snip of document---

I think this example will leave some people scratching their heads. I think trying to work ALT text into the main body of the text, does not realistically reflect what happens when a screen reader encounters an image. Under most screen reader configurations the graphic will be announced, so there necessarily be a break in the flow of the paragraph anyway. I don't think the first example helps the flow of the paragraph at all. And then saying "This is the wrong way to do things" and while presenting an example of perfectly acceptable alt text, is going to confuse people.
Comment 1 steve faulkner 2013-06-06 15:12:18 UTC
(In reply to comment #0)
> 4.8.1.1.3 Charts, diagrams, graphs, maps, illustrations
> 
> ---snip of document---
> 
> First, here's the good solution. This sample shows how the alternative text
> should just be what you would have put in the prose if the image had never
> existed.
> 
> <!-- This is the correct way to do things. -->
> <p>
>  You are standing in an open field west of a house.
>  <img src="house.jpeg" alt="The house is white, with a boarded front door.">
>  There is a small mailbox here.</p>
> 
> Second, here's the bad solution. In this incorrect way of doing things, the
> alternative text is simply a description of the image, instead of a textual
> replacement for the image. It's bad because when the image isn't shown, the
> text doesn't flow as well as in the first example.
> 
> <!-- This is the wrong way to do things. -->
> <p>
>  You are standing in an open field west of a house.
>  <img src="house.jpeg" alt="A white house, with a boarded front door.">
>  There is a small mailbox here.
> </p>
> 
> Text such as "Photo of white house with boarded door" would be equally bad
> alternative text (though it could be suitable for the title attribute or in
> the figcaption element of a figure with this image).
> 
> ---end of snip of document---
> 
> I think this example will leave some people scratching their heads. I think
> trying to work ALT text into the main body of the text, does not
> realistically reflect what happens when a screen reader encounters an image.
> Under most screen reader configurations the graphic will be announced, so
> there necessarily be a break in the flow of the paragraph anyway. I don't
> think the first example helps the flow of the paragraph at all. And then
> saying "This is the wrong way to do things" and while presenting an example
> of perfectly acceptable alt text, is going to confuse people.

thanks dave Note this is one of the sections that is in need of update so will change soon
Comment 2 steve faulkner 2013-06-30 10:27:54 UTC
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Status: later
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