Verbose (As Long As Necessary) Descriptor Requirements
The purpose of a verbose descriptor is to describe an image. Such a
description is essential for users who can not see, but who need
access to information contained in a graphic. While verbose
descriptors provide an important accommodation for the blind and
visually impaired, a verbose descriptor can also be used by those
with an extremely limited viewport or with cognitive difficulties as
a guide to navigating and comprehending the described image. This
means that the exposition of a verbose descriptor must not be an
"either-or" proposition; rather, the user should be able to control
the means of exposing the verbose descriptor, including the ability
to simultaneously view the contents of the image and the contents of
the verbose description.
Programmatically determinable  relates to the information in web
content. If technologies that are accessibility supported are used
properly, then assistive technologies and user agents can access
the information in the content (i.e., programmatically determine
the information in the content) and present it to the user. For
instance longdesc as an attribute should be used as a hook by user
agents and asssistive technologies in order to notify the user that
a long description exists, so even if longdesc is applied to an
image that also serves as a link, it is programmatically possible
to separate the activation of the longdesc for exposure from the
UA's universal link activation action (which is usually activated
with the ENTER key, the SpaceBar, or by mouse click), so that the
linked image retains the expected behavior in response to user
interaction while a discrete mechanism is used to retrieve the
Due to the chairs' ruling, on HTML5 ISSUE-30 , excluding
@longdesc, but failing to provide an alternate mechanism to
provide the functions that had been provided through the
HTML 4 attribute longdesc  there is currently no means of
providing a programmatically bound verbose (as long as
necessary) description for an image. Those functions are:
1. A direct, reusable programmatic determinable mechanism to a
long description of an image without a forced visual
encumbrance or default visual indicator.
2. A method to reference a longer description of an image, without
including the content in the main flow of a page.
Many images cannot be sufficiently described with other long description
techniques. For instance, longdesc currently provides a solution for
describing the content of images to the blind when it would be:
* Visually apparent and redundant to a sighted person.
* Unacceptable to the marketing department due to aesthetic
There is currently absolutely no other direct way of doing that without
1. A programmatic mechanism to reference a specific set of
structured content, internal (enhanced describedby model)
or external (HTML4 longdesc model) to the document
containing the described image.
2. A way to inform users and authors that a description is
3. A device independent way to access the descriptive content.
4. An explicit provision that accessing descriptive content,
whether internal or external to the document containing
the image, does NOT take the user away from the user's
position in the document containing the image where the
verbose descriptor was invoked;
5. A way to provide user control over exposition of the
descriptor so that rendering of the image and its
description is not an either/or proposition. (A visual
indicator of the description should NOT be a forced
visual encumbrance on sighted users by default).
6. A method to reference a longer description of an image,
without including the content in the main flow of a
Satisfying These Requirements for HTML5
1. retain support for longdesc; allow for exposition of longdesc
via user agent preference, context menu, or toggle inline as
well as for simultaneous exposition of both the image and its
description (useful for those with very limited viewports or
users with cognitive issues, who may need a description to
guide and to assist in the user's understanding of the image
* advantage: 2 major browsers already support longdesc
natively and are expected to continue to do so as part
of their support for HTML4x;
2. add support for aria-describedby and deprecate longdesc in HTML5;
* drawback 1: aria-describedby is currently limited to text
that appears in the same document as the image being
* drawback 2: The content associated using aria-describedby
as currently implemented, is limited to unstructured text;
3. add support for external references and structured content to the
aria-describedby attribute in HTML5 and deprecate longdesc;
4. Mint a describedby attribute for the img element (HTML5 Bug
*  Longdesc Examples In the Wild
*  Longdesc Guidelines, Laws, Policy, and Standards
* HTML 5 Issue: Image Equivalent Content (HTML WG Wiki page)
* Chairs' decision on HTML WG Issue-30 (longdesc)
o cover letter for Chairs' decision on HTML WG Issue 30 (longdesc)
o HTML WG Issue-30 (longdesc)
(the logger of this bug thanks laura carlson and steven faulkner for their
contributions to the wiki page on which this bug report is based
Why is the <p> element not sufficient?
Do you have a concrete page we could use to discuss this showing the problem in question? (It can be an artificially simple page that just has the relevant content, if you like.)
(In reply to comment #1)
> Why is the <p> element not sufficient?
> Do you have a concrete page we could use to discuss this showing the problem in
> question? (It can be an artificially simple page that just has the relevant
> content, if you like.)
I am sure that Gregory will also respond, but to me the relevant section in his bug report is the following:
" 2. A method to reference a longer description of an image, without
including the content in the main flow of a page.
I'm assuming the text about being able to provide this in such a way that it's not visible to sighted users is also relevant.
We did not deprecate longdesc, which has a two part aspect to it: discourage use AND provide an equivalent or superior approved technique. All we did is make it obsolete, leaving the functionality it provided unfulfilled.
However, I think this is a duplicate of another bug? One that Laura filed? The following?
It got assigned to Paul Cotton, so not sure what's going on.
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Status: Did Not Understand Request
Change Description: no spec change
Rationale: Gregory, please see comment 1. Thanks.
Removing TrackerRequest as this is already covered by ISSUE-30.
Bug triage sub-team adding TrackerIssue keyword since this is related to ISSUE-30.
It's inappropriate to remove TrackerRequest because this bug is only incidentally related to the Issue 30 decision.
The Issue 30 decision made longdesc obsolete, but did not provide any alternative method. This bug is about providing an alternative. The editor refuses to do so, therefore it is acceptable to handle this request separate from Issue 30.
I noticed that a TrackerIssue keyword has been added for this item, but it's been tied to Issue 30. Issue 30 is a done deal, it's over and done with. There is a formal objection tied to that decision, but that shouldn't stop work on creating a viable alternative.
It's important that the HTML WG work consistently, and the effort around this bug has been anything but consistent. It's also important that the co-chairs allow the process they designed to actually work, and for the W3C to honor its own procedural commitments.
I agree on this being a TrackerIssue. I do not agree that this should be associated with a previously decided issue, because this bug is not asking that longdesc be returned, but that something be created to provide the functionality that longdesc provided. The original bug provided very clear and very concise requirements for this replacement.
This bug is directly related to Issue-30:
The HTML WG co-chairs believe that this bug has been addressed by the WG's
decision on ISSUE-30.
on behalf of the HTML WG co-chairs
We discussed this on the a11y TF call, and agree with Sam's assessment that this is covered by issue 30.
Given that the longdesc extension is currently a FPWD, the TF has decided to close this bug.