ISSUE-192: R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD.

R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD.

State:
CLOSED
Product:
TTML Simple Delivery Profile for Closed Captions (US)
Raised by:
Monica Martin
Opened on:
2012-10-11
Description:
EBU-TT can't be easily converted to SDP-US 1/32. How to allow for this use case.
Related Actions Items:
Related emails:
  1. RE: TTML Agenda for 15/11/12 (from mdolan@newtbt.com on 2012-11-15)
  2. TTML Agenda for 15/11/12 (from Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com on 2012-11-15)
  3. RE: TTWG Meeting Minutes Nov 1: http://www.w3.org/2012/11/01-tt-minutes.html (from momartin@microsoft.com on 2012-11-05)
  4. RE: Updated Proposal for ISSUE-192: R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD. (from John.Birch@screensystems.tv on 2012-11-01)
  5. TTML Agenda for 1/11/12 (from Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com on 2012-11-01)
  6. Re: Updated Proposal for ISSUE-192: R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD. (from tai@irt.de on 2012-10-31)
  7. RE: ISSUE-195: default fontSize conflcts with TTML [Simple Delivery Profile for Closed Captions] (from Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com on 2012-10-31)
  8. RE: ISSUE-195: default fontSize conflcts with TTML [Simple Delivery Profile for Closed Captions] (from mdolan@newtbt.com on 2012-10-31)
  9. RE: ISSUE-195: default fontSize conflcts with TTML [Simple Delivery Profile for Closed Captions] (from momartin@microsoft.com on 2012-10-31)
  10. RE: Updated Proposal for ISSUE-192: R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD. (from John.Birch@screensystems.tv on 2012-10-25)
  11. RE: Updated Proposal for ISSUE-192: R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD. (from momartin@microsoft.com on 2012-10-25)
  12. RE: Updated Proposal for ISSUE-192: R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD. (from John.Birch@screensystems.tv on 2012-10-25)
  13. RE: Updated Proposal for ISSUE-192: R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD. (from momartin@microsoft.com on 2012-10-25)
  14. Re: Updated Proposal for ISSUE-192: R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD. (from tai@irt.de on 2012-10-25)
  15. RE: Updated Proposal for ISSUE-192: R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD. (from momartin@microsoft.com on 2012-10-25)
  16. Proposal for ISSUE-192: R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD. (from momartin@microsoft.com on 2012-10-18)
  17. RE: Proposal for ISSUE-192: R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD. (from mdolan@newtbt.com on 2012-10-17)
  18. ISSUE-192: R0041 doesn't allow for EBT-TT conversion easily. Revise R0041 to a SHOULD. (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2012-10-11)

Related notes:

TTWG Oct 11: http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-tt-minutes.html

Monica Martin, 11 Oct 2012, 23:01:01

Accepted proposals:

TTWG Oct 25: http://www.w3.org/2012/10/25-tt-minutes.html

Updated proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0043.html

Original to add to new: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0029.html

Monica Martin, 30 Oct 2012, 17:14:32

TTWG Oct 25:

Resolved use existing proposal with these revisions:
1. Change to SHALL not exceed on 2 total character requirements.
2. Add note: Adjust font size to account for character limits.
3. Add note: Doesn't constrain other aspect ratios (other than those specified). Accommodate existing captioning and don't explicitly constrain/are silent on other aspect ratios.
4. Add revisions to R0025 to accommodate 32 to 38 characters, use 84%. Add note: Explain where 84% was derived from (% of width and height of companion video).

Monica Martin, 30 Oct 2012, 17:47:23

Disregard post of Oct 30 17:14. Mixed up 182 and 192.

TTWG Oct 25: Resolved use existing proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0045.html
and add these revisions:
1. Change to SHALL not exceed on 2 total character requirements.
2. Add note: Adjust font size to account for character limits.
3. Add note: Doesn't constrain other aspect ratios (other than those specified). Accommodate existing captioning and don't explicitly constrain/are silent on other aspect ratios.
4. Add revisions to R0025 to accommodate 32 to 38 characters, use 84%. Add note: Explain where 84% was derived from (% of width and height of companion video).

Monica Martin, 30 Oct 2012, 20:05:13

Implement original proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0045.html in http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/5f223c89fac6.

Glenn Adams, 12 Nov 2012, 01:35:02

Did not implement the following revised update to lack of specificity (please provide spec ready text):

2. Add note: Adjust font size to account for character limits.
3. Add note: Doesn't constrain other aspect ratios (other than those specified). Accommodate existing captioning and don't explicitly constrain/are silent on other aspect ratios.
4. Add revisions to R0025 to accommodate 32 to 38 characters, use 84%. Add note: Explain where 84% was derived from (% of width and height of companion video).

Glenn Adams, 12 Nov 2012, 01:36:46

Implemented by editor as agreed by TTWG.

Monica Martin, 15 Nov 2012, 14:15:57

TTWG Minutes Nov 29: http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-tt-minutes.html

Accepted editor changes.

Monica Martin, 30 Nov 2012, 17:58:10

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