<trackbot> Date: 04 October 2012

scribe is mmartin3

<Frans_> +41 is Frans

<mijordan> Andrew_Kirkpatrick is mijordan

<plh> action-103?

<trackbot> ACTION-103 -- Glenn Adams to delete R0020 and add introductory text about these styles with descriptions for Section 6.4.2. -- due 2012-09-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/103

mmartin3: See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0078.html

Sean: Keep example. Delete requirement R0020.

mmartin3: Suggest we close Actions -102, -103.
... Relates to Issue-189

http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/189

mike: Can close Action-102.
... Close Action-103.

Sean: Pushing for scroll. Falls out from XSL processing model.

mike: Disagreement on scrolling happening or not in TTML.
... Clarify example.

c/example/with example in TTML 1.0 Second Edition.

Sean: Illustrate semantics.

Resolve to close Action-102 and defer to Issue-189.

Close Action-102.

Close Action-102

<trackbot> ACTION-102 Make changes in Section 8.1.2 as specified http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0040.html closed

Resolve to close Action-103 and defer to Issue-189.

Close Action-103

<trackbot> ACTION-103 Delete R0020 and add introductory text about these styles with descriptions for Section 6.4.2. closed

Issue-189?

<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- do regions scroll their flowed content? -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/189

Mike: Example 5 needs to be revised to handle roll-up.

Create examples in TTML 1.0 Second Edition to specify.

Sean: Example 5 is incomplete.

Need to define the region to close in SDP.

Create Action Mike to provide examples for TTML 1.0 SE.

Create ACTION: Mike to provide examples for TTML 1.0 SE.

<scribe> ACTION: Mike to provide examples for TTML 1.0 SE. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-tt-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-109 - Provide examples for TTML 1.0 SE. [on Mike Dolan - due 2012-10-11].

<scribe> ACTION: Monica update example 5 for SDP based on Issue-189 discussion on scrolling. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-tt-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-110 - Update example 5 for SDP based on Issue-189 discussion on scrolling. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-10-11].

Issue-183?

<trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- semantics of using profile in a document -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/183

mmartin3: Explains issue.

Mike suggested document conformance.

Sean: Both are specified in the profile.

Mike: Use of profile was related to document conformance.

Sean: TTML 1.0 allows profile on processor.
... SDP-US is focused on document conformance and sufficiently constrain to deliver profile.
... CFF can be part decoder.

Mike: CFF model is about document authoring.
... Make a few revisions in TTML 1.0 SE to clarify that document conformance applies.

Sean: Agree.

Resolve to make SDP-US a document conformance profile.

Mike: Will develop sentence to change TTML 1.0 SE.

Sean: How to capture CFF constraints if document authoring?

Mike: No changes needed in SDP-US.

Action Mike Proposal to close Issue-183 - identify revisions in TTML 1.0 SE.

<trackbot> Created ACTION-111 - Proposal to close Issue-183 - identify revisions in TTML 1.0 SE. [on Mike Dolan - due 2012-10-11].

Action-99?

<trackbot> ACTION-99 -- Monica Martin to soften text in Abstract regarding USG requirements. -- due 2012-09-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/99

SDP draft http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html

Need to close.

Close Action-99.

Close Action-99

<trackbot> ACTION-99 Soften text in Abstract regarding USG requirements. closed

Issue-177?

<trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- Clarify mandatory processing semantics referenced in Section 3.2.1. Consider whether to use Appendix D, Table E-2. -- pending review

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/177

http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/96

Close Issue-177 by Action-96

Close Issue-177

<trackbot> ISSUE-177 Clarify mandatory processing semantics referenced in Section 3.2.1. Consider whether to use Appendix D, Table E-2. closed

Issue-185

Issue-185?

<trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- confusion about processor versus player -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/185

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0063.html

Close Issue-185

<trackbot> ISSUE-185 confusion about processor versus player closed

Issue-187?

<trackbot> ISSUE-187 -- R0006 is overly constraining as drafted -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/187

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Oct/0003.html

R0006

c/element/timed element

Sean: Agree, objections?

Action Glenn Update R0006 based on discussion in Issue-187 on Oct 4

<trackbot> Created ACTION-112 - Update R0006 based on discussion in Issue-187 on Oct 4 [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-10-11].

Resolved to close Issue-187 based on new Action-112.

Close Issue-187

<trackbot> ISSUE-187 R0006 is overly constraining as drafted closed

Issue-188

pal: Describes issue.
... Doesn't set constraints of the document - characters, regions, drawing, etc.
... characters per second for example.

Sean: Explore document authoring constraint - Mike.
... How does this relate?

pal: CFF has rendering model that answers this question.
... Template can be used.
... Limit characters that author stream that the renderer has to process.

Sean: Synchronic document model - 2 points in time, document display to t1, t2. Differ by certain number characters?

Mike: Treats performance limitations for simplicity. Acts on each of sychronic document.

c/sychronic/synchromic

c/synchromic/synchronic

Sean: Characters per second doesn't make sense in synchronic documents.

mmartin3: CFF model targets specific use cases correct?

pal: No, SDP-US doesn't speak to these aspects?

Sean: Cast in TTML text, duration to render an instance.

pal: How much processing allocated to rendering? Character drawing is complicated. How many characters per second?

Sean: In captions, end of one document and start of the second specifies what to do and how to specify the stream.
... i.e. 4 seconds to draw.

pal: Put in SDP-US?

Sean: Create constraints that relate to synchronic document.

Mike: Recast in a different language is an issue.

Sean: They will be different because the 2 profiles are different.

pal: When CFF sets limits on drawing rate, what does the average of 120 characters mean?

Mike: Concerned about making them different.

pal: We seem to agree on character constraints.
... Benefit with compatibility on use of CFF. 2 items to address.

Action Sean to recast the constraints for the SDP-US.

<trackbot> Created ACTION-113 - Recast the constraints for the SDP-US. [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-10-11].

Issue-189?

<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- do regions scroll their flowed content? -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/189

pal: Leave Issue-189 open on the scrolling.

Related to other actions.

Issue-190?

<trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Background vs Window Color -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/190

mmartin3: Describes issue.
... Suggest a note.

Sean: Add an example too.

Mike: Wasn't initially clear to me.

Sean: TTML 1.0 describes this. Have to understand XSL.

Mike: This is a TTML issue.

c/TTML/TTML 1.0

Sean: Decide if put in Second Edition or SDP-US.
... Primer?

Action Sean. Monica will help. Add a note and example on backgroundColor and windows. Respond back to Apple. Decide where to place the example. Relates to Issue-190.

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Extra meting

c/meting/meeting

Action-107?

<trackbot> ACTION-107 -- Monica Martin to clarify references to named colors and align to TTML 1.0. -- due 2012-10-04 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/107

mmartin3: Describes editor action.

Close Action-107

<trackbot> ACTION-107 Clarify references to named colors and align to TTML 1.0. closed

Meeting Oct 11

Sean: mmartin3 and plh will host.

trackbot, end meeting

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