Meeting minutes
ICCHP Papers
janina: Gave an executive summary of her paper, Beyond the Source
… go back to considering accessibility across the whole pipeline, not just at source
jason: One of the axioms we have inherited, is that screen reader use should not be revealed to a website
… But an end-user announcing to a site, these are the personalizations that I need, could be useful
janina: THe post-source report does include that desire as an aspirational goal
… I agree, this is an issue we should address
jason: We treat mobile output differently, the user says "I need this viewport" and the site provides it
… the axiom is, everything should be supported equally from one source code
… perhaps we can pick this statement apart
janina: We see this issue in gaming, and some new approaches are being discussed, and not "one size fits all" accessibility
jason: That is a specific use case which may allow for this discussion
Lionel_Wolberger: Will be presenting current state of post-source in user agents
jason: Evil people did not introduce the API DOM. The browsers introduced that API because it enabled helpful interventions
… the paper does not mention that
Lionel_Wolberger: The paper is intended to drive home what browsers can do
jason: the browser allows JS to rewrite the DOM, at the DOM level
… some people saw some quick and easy stuff at the DOM level and made overly broad claims based on that
… but that did not rule out that this approach, put there by the browser manufacturer, for good reason
mike: It might be interesting to see why browser manufacturers built that in, in 2015
jason: I would guess it was not done for accessibility, it was likely done for business reasons
jason: A quick look at LLMs says: the DOM was opened up to allow dynamic web apps and experiences
mike: I am thinking back to Microsoft and Netscape browser-makers arguing, and I am frustrated
… if you had a choice, with limited resources (a) fix everything at source or (b) at DOM level, which would you choose?
jason: Lionel's Browser Table paper, should connect what the browsers do
mike: This conference is very scientific, primarily for researchers
Lionel_Wolberger: Let's meet again in two weeks.