Meeting minutes
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Lisa: Starting this week, people outside of US and Canada need to check how daylights savings is affecting meeting times.
Lisa: Tomorrow/Tuesday there is a research call at 9am ET.
Lisa: WCAG 3 call on Thursday will start meeting at 9am ET.
Lisa: Jan said the earlier time works for her.
New start time on Thursdays for WCAG 3 review meetings: Julie will update the calendar invite.
ACTION: item: Julie will update the calendar invite in W3C calendar.
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Lisa: We put together proposals for the W3C world breakout days.
Lisa: We need to ask Rashmi if she wants to co-chair one of the sessions.
Lisa: We asked Eric if he wants to co-chair.
Lisa: What is the process for submitting the proposals?
julierawe: They need to be submitted in GitHub. I can take care of that.
kirkwood: Can you share the link once these have been submitted in GitHub?
ACTION: item: julierawe will reach out to rashmi and ask her to respond today.
Eric_hind is interested in co-chairing.
<kirkwood> please put link to GitHub issue in Google doc.
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ACTION: item: For people who want to co-chair a session, please put in margin comments if the timing constraints for that session need to be adjusted to reflect your individual calendar constraints.
Lisa: We published the research modules and want to make sure people see these drafts.
Lisa: We have reached out to the COGA community to get their feedback.
Lisa: It has also been sent to the AG and APA members.
Lisa: There may be other groups we want to send it to, such as EU Commission's work program.
Lisa: Maybe a group called FABLE? And Clayton Lewis/Louis?
Lisa: Also Knowbility and other organizations where COGA members work?
Lisa: We have a tab in our research doc titled "Outreach."
Correction: The "Outreach" tab is in the main COGA doc titled "COGA calls."
Lisa: I'm adding a new heading of the places we're already sent the research modules to. Titled "Done (reached)"
Lisa: Can anyone think of other organizations we should try to reach?
kirkwood: Neuro-rehabilitation organizations and aging organizations. I have a list I can look at and add to this doc.
julierawe: Should this outreach mention the mid-April deadline for feedback?
Lisa: The Outreach tab does not specify a deadline.
Lisa: We want their feedback even if it's late.
Lisa: You could say the official date for feedback is [whatever is in the published draft] but we'd like your feedback even if it's late.
Eric_hind: I posted on LinkedIn about a month ago and got 21 reposts.
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Lisa: Len, do you want to talk us through the document?
LenB: As background, COGA has talked about how we can make numbers more understandable for people.
LenB: There have been a few conversations in the "Text and Wording" WCAG 3 subgroup. We thought it would be good to do something in HTML specs about numbers.
LenB: At TPAC, there was a group meeting about an <amount> tag,
LenB: What hasn't happened yet is thinking through the needs of people who need cognitive supportr.
LenB: We asked how COGA can support this effort.
LenB: Matthew and Janina at the APA said they would like to hear about user needs.
LenB: We can restructure this google doc as needed. This is just to get us started.
LenB: The current ask is to create more user scenarios beyond the current three that are in the draft.
LenB: The doc includes background information.
LenB: There is a link to an explainer that Mozilla drafted before the TPAC session in the fall of 2025.
LenB: My defaults in my browser are US and English. The idea is that the browser would present "1,000"
LenB: If the value is 1.5 and the language is French, then in French it should be presented as "1,5" with a comma instead of a decimal
LenB: What are user needs we can present?
LenB: Do I need to know it has been converted using the <amount> tag?
LenB If the site does or doesn't use an <amount> tag? Will it throw me off?
Lisa: If people put in user scenarios they want addressed, we can leave it to them to suggest how to address them. It doesn't have to be perfect.
Lisa: We can work together on what we want to suggest.
julierawe Do I remember this specifically does *not* cover currency conversion?
LenB: Correct, we don't want to put that burden on site authors. It is outside of scope.
Lisa: I added into the <amount> doc some notes from Making Content Usable.
Lisa: Can people take a look at this doc and volunteer to review and think about which scenarios to add?
Lisa: This might be a good activity to do with COGA buddies.
Lisa: This feels like one of our WCAG 3 reviews.
LenB: Which one do you think is more of a priority?
Lisa: We decided we did not want to give up on everything else while reviewing WCAG 3. We can carve out time at a Monday call to talk more about user scenarios to suggest for the <amount> tag.
Lisa: Eric_hind, do you want to take a look?
Eric_hind: Yes.
ACTION: item: Lisa and Eric_hind will suggest some scenarios and will schedule a group conversation in a month.
Lisa: Is there a deadline?
LenB: There is no deadline that I know of.
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Lisa: We don't have much on the COGA agenda so we could probably schedule this in a month.
Lisa: Eric_hind would you rather do it in 2 weeks in March?
Lisa: Let's schedule a group conversation on March 23.
Lisa: If anyone wants to join in the <amount> conversation, they can volunteer now, add user scenarios asynchronously, or work with Lisa and Eric synchronoulsy.
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Lisa: We're blocking off three hours on Thursdays.
Lisa: If you can't come to the first hour, it's worth coming to the second hour or the other way around.
Lisa: We use the first hour for scheduling and for an overview of a section that a COGA member has reviewed.
Lisa: We're working on adjusting the template and the process.
Lisa: We are starting with some relatively short ones.
Lisa: The conversation becomes more about drafting and doing the work collaboratively.
Lisa: Eric made a draft last week. We spent the first hour going over it and looking for what was missing.
Lisa: We identified gaps and started drafting. Eric is using an updated template to write up the issues.
Eric_hind: I used the updated template on one issue so far and will update the rest before Thursday.
Lisa: We also want people to work asynchronously, so people can review the "Animation and movement" comments on their own.
Lisa: The first stage is identifying the gaps, and then writing up the issues.
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Lisa: Can people go ahead and add their comments to Eric's draft?
Eric_hind: The sooner the better, thanks.
Rachael: Right now there are no user needs in the WCAG 3 draft. You can wait to see the lists that the subgroups come up with if that is easier than coming up with comprehensive user needs for each subsection/guideline.
Lisa: We need to add GitHub issues about collaborative environments.
Lisa: I'd like to create a tab titled "General issues," such as what makes something core vs supplemental.
Lisa: We also have a question of do we want to make a list of user needs.
Lisa: I'll call that tab "Open questions."
Lisa: One open question is adding user needs for collaborative work environments. Another is do we want to have comprehensive lists of user needs by section.
kirkwood: I'm wondering if we're effectively incorporating AI into user needs.
kirkwood: Getting AI summaries can be very helpful.
Rachael: We are incorporating AI at the method level in WCAG 3.
kirkwood: It's such a potentially useful tool from a cognitive perspective. I'd like to see it as a major part of what we're doing.
Lisa: We have it as part of a research module. We're thinking of redoing it to make it more thorough.