IRC log of coga on 2026-03-09

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Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Agenda+ Review of wcag review
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Q?
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agenda?
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Lisa: Starting this week, people outside of US and Canada need to check how daylights savings is affecting meeting times.
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Lisa: Tomorrow/Tuesday there is a research call at 9am ET.
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Lisa: WCAG 3 call on Thursday will start meeting at 9am ET.
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Lisa: Jan said the earlier time works for her.
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New start time on Thursdays for WCAG 3 review meetings: Julie will update the calendar invite.
15:10:26 [julierawe]
Action item: Julie will update the calendar invite in W3C calendar.
15:10:37 [Lisa]
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Lisa: We put together proposals for the W3C world breakout days.
15:12:20 [julierawe]
Lisa: We need to ask Rashmi if she wants to co-chair one of the sessions.
15:13:32 [julierawe]
Lisa: We asked Eric if he wants to co-chair.
15:13:55 [julierawe]
Lisa: What is the process for submitting the proposals?
15:14:14 [julierawe]
julierawe: They need to be submitted in GitHub. I can take care of that.
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kirkwood: Can you share the link once these have been submitted in GitHub?
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Action item: julierawe will reach out to rashmi and ask her to respond today.
15:15:18 [julierawe]
Eric_hind is interested in co-chairing.
15:15:39 [kirkwood]
please put link to GitHub issue in Google doc.
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Action item: For people who want to co-chair a session, please put in margin comments if the timing constraints for that session need to be adjusted to reflect your individual calendar constraints.
15:17:18 [Lisa]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit?tab=t.hdl3s88q44lt
15:18:33 [julierawe]
Lisa: We published the research modules and want to make sure people see these drafts.
15:18:49 [julierawe]
Lisa: We have reached out to the COGA community to get their feedback.
15:19:12 [julierawe]
Lisa: It has also been sent to the AG and APA members.
15:19:35 [julierawe]
Lisa: There may be other groups we want to send it to, such as EU Commission's work program.
15:20:00 [julierawe]
Lisa: Maybe a group called FABLE? And Clayton Lewis/Louis?
15:20:16 [julierawe]
Lisa: Also Knowbility and other organizations where COGA members work?
15:20:31 [julierawe]
Lisa: We have a tab in our research doc titled "Outreach."
15:21:37 [julierawe]
Correction: The "Outreach" tab is in the main COGA doc titled "COGA calls."
15:22:23 [julierawe]
Lisa: I'm adding a new heading of the places we're already sent the research modules to. Titled "Done (reached)"
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Lisa: Can anyone think of other organizations we should try to reach?
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kirkwood: Neuro-rehabilitation organizations and aging organizations. I have a list I can look at and add to this doc.
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julierawe: Should this outreach mention the mid-April deadline for feedback?
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Lisa: The Outreach tab does not specify a deadline.
15:25:51 [julierawe]
Lisa: We want their feedback even if it's late.
15:26:22 [julierawe]
Lisa: You could say the official date for feedback is [whatever is in the published draft] but we'd like your feedback even if it's late.
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q?
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Eric_hind: I posted on LinkedIn about a month ago and got 21 reposts.
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Lisa: Len, do you want to talk us through the document?
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LenB: As background, COGA has talked about how we can make numbers more understandable for people.
15:29:17 [julierawe]
LenB: There have been a few conversations in the "Text and Wording" WCAG 3 subgroup. We thought it would be good to do something in HTML specs about numbers.
15:29:39 [julierawe]
LenB: At TPAC, there was a group meeting about an <amount> tag,
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LenB: What hasn't happened yet is thinking through the needs of people who need cognitive supportr.
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LenB: We asked how COGA can support this effort.
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LenB: Matthew and Janina at the APA said they would like to hear about user needs.
15:30:52 [julierawe]
LenB: We can restructure this google doc as needed. This is just to get us started.
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LenB: The current ask is to create more user scenarios beyond the current three that are in the draft.
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LenB: The doc includes background information.
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LenB: There is a link to an explainer that Mozilla drafted before the TPAC session in the fall of 2025.
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LenB: My defaults in my browser are US and English. The idea is that the browser would present "1,000"
15:34:00 [julierawe]
LenB: If the value is 1.5 and the language is French, then in French it should be presented as "1,5" with a comma instead of a decimal
15:34:22 [julierawe]
LenB: What are user needs we can present?
15:34:44 [julierawe]
LenB: Do I need to know it has been converted using the <amount> tag?
15:35:08 [julierawe]
LenB If the site does or doesn't use an <amount> tag? Will it throw me off?
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q?
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Lisa: If people put in user scenarios they want addressed, we can leave it to them to suggest how to address them. It doesn't have to be perfect.
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15:37:28 [julierawe]
Lisa: We can work together on what we want to suggest.
15:37:46 [julierawe]
julierawe Do I remember this specifically does *not* cover currency conversion?
15:38:09 [julierawe]
LenB: Correct, we don't want to put that burden on site authors. It is outside of scope.
15:39:45 [julierawe]
Lisa: I added into the <amount> doc some notes from Making Content Usable.
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Q?
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1osxm57PcCyIwWKAPqVSu8djzrMDTSlxNSC8YsmitUTE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.6e1wvv8um11e
15:40:14 [julierawe]
Lisa: Can people take a look at this doc and volunteer to review and think about which scenarios to add?
15:40:28 [julierawe]
Lisa: This might be a good activity to do with COGA buddies.
15:40:41 [julierawe]
Lisa: This feels like one of our WCAG 3 reviews.
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LenB: Which one do you think is more of a priority?
15:41:40 [julierawe]
Lisa: We decided we did not want to give up on everything else while reviewing WCAG 3. We can carve out time at a Monday call to talk more about user scenarios to suggest for the <amount> tag.
15:41:56 [julierawe]
Lisa: Eric_hind, do you want to take a look?
15:42:00 [julierawe]
Eric_hind: Yes.
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Action item: Lisa and Eric_hind will suggest some scenarios and will schedule a group conversation in a month.
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Lisa: Is there a deadline?
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LenB: There is no deadline that I know of.
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agenda?
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close item 5
15:47:59 [julierawe]
Lisa: We don't have much on the COGA agenda so we could probably schedule this in a month.
15:48:36 [julierawe]
Lisa: Eric_hind would you rather do it in 2 weeks in March?
15:48:58 [julierawe]
Lisa: Let's schedule a group conversation on March 23.
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Q?
15:49:50 [julierawe]
Lisa: If anyone wants to join in the <amount> conversation, they can volunteer now, add user scenarios asynchronously, or work with Lisa and Eric synchronoulsy.
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15:50:45 [julierawe]
Lisa: We're blocking off three hours on Thursdays.
15:51:12 [julierawe]
Lisa: If you can't come to the first hour, it's worth coming to the second hour or the other way around.
15:51:29 [julierawe]
Lisa: We use the first hour for scheduling and for an overview of a section that a COGA member has reviewed.
15:51:39 [julierawe]
Lisa: We're working on adjusting the template and the process.
15:51:46 [julierawe]
Lisa: We are starting with some relatively short ones.
15:52:00 [julierawe]
Lisa: The conversation becomes more about drafting and doing the work collaboratively.
15:52:22 [julierawe]
Lisa: Eric made a draft last week. We spent the first hour going over it and looking for what was missing.
15:52:47 [julierawe]
Lisa: We identified gaps and started drafting. Eric is using an updated template to write up the issues.
15:52:53 [Lisa]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?tab=t.uggxirp4slpc
15:54:06 [julierawe]
Eric_hind: I used the updated template on one issue so far and will update the rest before Thursday.
15:54:31 [julierawe]
Lisa: We also want people to work asynchronously, so people can review the "Animation and movement" comments on their own.
15:54:58 [julierawe]
Lisa: The first stage is identifying the gaps, and then writing up the issues.
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Lisa: Can people go ahead and add their comments to Eric's draft?
15:57:00 [julierawe]
Eric_hind: The sooner the better, thanks.
15:57:52 [julierawe]
Rachael: Right now there are no user needs in the WCAG 3 draft. You can wait to see the lists that the subgroups come up with if that is easier than coming up with comprehensive user needs for each subsection/guideline.
15:58:13 [julierawe]
Lisa: We need to add GitHub issues about collaborative environments.
15:58:47 [julierawe]
Lisa: I'd like to create a tab titled "General issues," such as what makes something core vs supplemental.
15:59:05 [julierawe]
Lisa: We also have a question of do we want to make a list of user needs.
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Lisa: I'll call that tab "Open questions."
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Lisa: One open question is adding user needs for collaborative work environments. Another is do we want to have comprehensive lists of user needs by section.
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kirkwood: I'm wondering if we're effectively incorporating AI into user needs.
16:03:32 [julierawe]
kirkwood: Getting AI summaries can be very helpful.
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Rachael: We are incorporating AI at the method level in WCAG 3.
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kirkwood: It's such a potentially useful tool from a cognitive perspective. I'd like to see it as a major part of what we're doing.
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Lisa: We have it as part of a research module. We're thinking of redoing it to make it more thorough.
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